NOT A SCAMMER - WANT TO HIM TO RESPOND - LAIM

(NOT a scammer)profile link: Liam
Vouches if they were exchanged: -
Original selling thread: [$199 ono] SELLING RS3 2.4K LvL ~ Username Login ~ 2 YRs away from 15YR Vet Cape ~ Original Owner
Proof of payment:
Proof of contacting seller:
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: Screen capture - fdd50f7acc4ab5fb201ed50e717c4892 - Gyazo
Login username of the account: velvadon
Terms of Service that was agreed to:

I reserve the right to not trade with anyone I feel is risky/untrustworthy
2) Buyer needs to understand Sythe rules and the section rules. Will need to confirm they have read the rules and understand the rules on sythe.
3) Even if the buyer does not have a sythe account, the sythe rules will still apply as this is the only place I am advertising the account for sale.
4) I am the original owner and therefore I will take responsibility for helping the buyer recover the account if it gets locked. I reserve the right to protect my rights as much as possible according to sythe.org rules. If the buyer resells the account to somebody else then it voids my responsibility of unlock attempts, as reselling will greatly increase the risk of locks, plus the buyer could attempt to recover from the person he/she sells to.
5) I will never recover the account unless the buyer asks me to. If the account ever got locked for example, the buyer can contact me at any time and ask for my help. I will be more than happy to help. It should be noted that warranty is only offered for 1 month, in which the buyer has plenty of time to secure the account.
6) The buyer should be committed to buy. There are no returns policy as the buyer will have the login details and other personal information related to the account, therefore I will not accept returns.
7) As a reputable seller and long-term user I am reasonable though. If the account got locked in a way I cannot unlock it within 1 month after the sale, then I will refund the buyer in full with any transaction fees being my expense.


Other relevant trade screenshots:
I tried to recover it with the info that he provided i got this answer from jagex:


IM NOT CALLING HIM A SCAMMER, I just want him to help me to recover the account, since the information he given me isn't accurate and I can't really assume that he given me fake information until he proves it through his ip/computer, please respond here @Liam

 

yes the idea is not about the warranty or not, the idea about the details he given is not accurate/false, he is a nice guy I don't think he meant to do so, I hope he responds

Yes I bought it in nov2023, lost access about jan, had irl issues then i managed to fix it.

 

Hi there!

First of all, I am really sorry for any concern caused in my absence. I am not very active in the market as much anymore. I do not consider myself completely out of the market, however I have been focusing on a new startup which consumes most of my time at the moment.

Thank you to the Sythe member that alerted me to this situation. I will not include his/her name here, however I do wish to express my appreciation.


I am a bit confused exactly about what apparently has happened here. I provided accurate information when selling the account, and then included further personal details when asked on a later date when 'MARCI' (Who went by alias NET/Lilduel on discord) was trying to resell the account to account kings.

It should be noted that I did not rush to sell this account to anyone. I was in no rush to sell, but at the same time was happy to sell it to someone who seemed keen on enjoying it. MARCI/NET/Lilduel seemed keen, so I accepted his offer after some negotiation.

Typically, less than 24 hours after selling the account, MARCI/NET/Lilduel asked if I would buy it back. I refused due to reasons:

A) He now had the acc details and some of my personal info, after successful delivery of the account.
B) due to what I believe to be fair and well thought out TOS based on the recommendations in the market stickies.


I offered to help MARCI/NET/Lilduel out in many ways via a donation if I ended up selling any other virtual assets, such as my 07 acc. I did not want to just assume it was buyers remorse, although I do admit that once he sent me data about his gambling habit, I did begin to suspect he bought the account on impulse and wanted to liquidate it to continue gambling. I did not wish to be rude or judge, so did not say this previously, however as there is a topic open here I believe it should be context to be considered.


Again I am a bit confused of what MARCI/NET/Lilduel is asking for, or dare I say, accuse me of here?

MARCI/NET/Lilduel claims to no longer remember the password. If you have forgotten the password, why not just request a password change via 'forgotten password' etc? A link will be sent to your registered email on the account.

MARCI/NET/Lilduel, can you confirm/prove whether or not you resold the account?

It has been several months now, well past the warranty period, and this pops up.

As Pirate pointed out, you only showed part of the TOS. I will add that you only showed part of the discord chatlogs - not included mentioned gambling habit and now what I suspect may be buyers remorse.

I have archived complete chatlogs, and will figure out how to upload/embed as soon as possible. It's been a while since I've shared images and gyazo/imgur seem a bit lame. Or if a mod prefers I can send the chatlogs in private.

Also MARCI/NET/Lilduel claims he lost access to the account around January. However he was adamant on reselling it as early as November. My benefit of the doubt filter is beginning to fade.

With all the above being said, I will cooperate with mods/admin assigned to this to the best of my ability.

I sold the account for 10B RS3 which at the time we loosely valued at $160. I then dumped the gold to the Chinese for roughly $120. (I would need to go through all of my personal and business transactions to find if I sold it for dollars or chinese yuan) Despite this, we will of course keep the original valuation of $160. Again, just context to show I just wanted the account to go to someone I thought would enjoy it.

Lastly, MARCI/NET/Lilduel I very much appreciate you highlighting 'not a scammer'. I also apologize for not being active. Equally I hope you do not take anything mentioned above the wrong way. As this is now public, I do have to include more context that you missed out.

I'll monitor this topic as frequently as I can. Mods please consider that I am on Chinese internet, so the most convenient and less glitchy way for me to respond is via sythe.org as it is not blocked. Discord is blocked, and can be glitchy on VPNs. The great firewall is much stronger than it once was.

 

MARCI/NET/Lilduel claims to no longer remember the password. If you have forgotten the password, why not just request a password change via 'forgotten password' etc? A link will be sent to your registered email on the account.
I have lost access to my emails, and the email that I created to that account is new. so I had no access to it after our last convo.

MARCI/NET/Lilduel, can you confirm/prove whether or not you resold the account?
I have not resold the account.

I sold the account for 10B RS3 which at the time we loosely valued at $160. I then dumped the gold to the Chinese for roughly $120. (I would need to go through all of my personal and business transactions to find if I sold it for dollars or chinese yuan) Despite this, we will of course keep the original valuation of $160. Again, just context to show I just wanted the account to go to someone I thought would enjoy it.
I wanted to enjoy the account as well, but unfortunate thing happened and I told you in detail what happened.

And again:
Again I am a bit confused of what MARCI/NET/Lilduel is asking for, or dare I say, accuse me of here?
I am not saying you are scammer, or anything like that.
I made the post because it looked like its the only thing that could bring your attention to the matter.

My point about this:
The information that you have provided on the account recover is simply not accurate. Confirmed by Jagex themselves
The account creation date, or previous emails , or previous passwords are not true according to Jagex.




A) He now had the acc details and some of my personal info, after successful delivery of the account.
So this right here isn't actually true. Yes you successfully delivered the account, however the details that would aid me to recover the account in this is not helpful/accurate.


Again, I am not calling you a scammer, I don't believe that you meant to give invalid information for recovery.
I will comply with Mods/Admins with anything.

No hard feelings Liam, but I felt its the only way to bring your attention.

 

Ok so you confirm it's still attached to the email you made to hold this account on.

That means you secured the account, but then forgot the password to the email?

The best thing to do here, would be to regain access to your email account. Once that is done, you can consider changing the registered email to one that you are simply not going to forget.

On the information provided, it is accurate. However if you provided your own details to supplement what I gave you, then that could be considered invalid. Also you trying to recover from a foreign IP will be seen as a hijack attempt, which clearly Jagex believe to be the case according to the screenshot.

I would focus on trying to recover the email account you made, rather than the account, especially as the account is linked to that email. If it is indeed an email created by you linked to the account then that shouldn't be an issue for you to recover, even if you need to contact the customer support of your email provider.

 

Sorry, I don't get it.
I am simply asking you as you claimed as your info that you provided is 100% accurate and you are the original owner the information I provided should be enough for them to give me access to the account.

So you are telling me if the account got hacked for example, That means that using the info you provided it won't be enough to recover it? how is this even possible.

This is not true. you can read jagex reply that the information I have provided (which you gave me) doesn't match with the info that is in their system.

And I have tried to recover my email with no luck.


All I'm asking you is just to help me recover the account, since you claim that the info provided is 100% true.
I just simply want the account I paid for from you the original owner.

 

Can you try to access the email you mention here first? Then submit a password reset request from that email.

 

I have many times with no luck sadly..

 

Can you show evidence of recovery attempts and the automated 'email reset declined' kind of notifications?

 

I didn't quite understand how do u get that email for recovering an email it tells me during the recovery phase , at the end of it it says
"We are sorry we are unable to verify ..."

But, how did this has anything to do with my original post? if the information you provided for recover is accurate Jagex should have given me the account by now.
Please lets focus on the fact that you provided inaccurate information giving benefit of the doubt that you have given the information inaccurately. and I still stand that you have missed/given not accurate info without noticing meaning you did not mean to do it.


I will repeat, I just want the original owner (Liam) to recover the account to me, that's all about it.

 

if this is you are asking for.

 

Again, I gave you correct information, but that doesn't guarantee a success.

In noteform, this appears to be the situation from my perspective:

1) I sold you the account, and you agreed to the TOS.\

2) You tried to resell the account back to me less than 24 hours after purchasing it due to an alleged IRL issue.

3) At the same time you open up about your gambling habit and even send me screenshots of your total wagers etc.

4) You ask me for additional information so you can sell the account to account kings, I provide information.

5) You open this several months after the purchase as you were unable to get a hold of me on discord. - That I apologize for. I am not as active as I have other projects these days, and discord is glitchy on VPN's from China (i own multiple VIP subscriptions of good VPNS).

6) You mention to Pirate above that you 'lost access' around Jan. So basically you had a good few months to secure the account, well beyond the warranty.

7) You lose access to your own email account that you set on the account, therefore it is your fault that you lost access to the account. I mean, please correct me if I'm wrong here?

8) I am trying to break this down and get clear answers from you, but you are saying different things, only referred to TOS that benefits you, and then didn't share the full chat history, you're avoiding trying the steps I'm asking you to follow first.

The warranty period long expired, however I have not flat out refused to help here, yet I cannot help but feel something doesn't add up here. First I want to make sure you did not resell this account and are trying to get me to recover it back. It must not be misunderstood as me stalling or anything of that matter.

Believe me, I have much better things to do with my time, and my personal time spent on this already is worth more than the $ value of the account. That being said, I like to do things correctly, and I do not want to unknowingly be part of recovering an account if you resold it to others.

Sorry mods for being a boomer here, if anyone can let me know which image sharer to use these days, I can upload the archived chat history with nothing missed out. Imgur/gyazo don't seem to embed anymore like they used to.

I welcome mod opinion on the situation and TOS. I just want to do the right thing. Account sales is not an area of expertise - I mostly only dealt with gold, so haven't had much experience handling situations like this.

 

I can't believe this is happening lol, All I am asking you is to recover the account back to me.

Bringing any personal issues isn't helping this with anything? if that's the thing then lets do it properly.

Answering your points
1) Yeh I agreed, however the information that you provided is not accurate I have repeated this many times with Jagex reply proof.
you claim they are correct with no proof behind it!

2) Yeh, due real life issues I had to sell everything I could. but I managed to fix with loans from friends.

3) What does this has to do with anything here? expected much more respect from you to keep personal issues. you do you.

4) Yeh I did, But I did not sell the account to them or to anyone.

5) Yeh After I managed to fix my issues, now I have the time to use the account that I have paid for ? I don't see whats the issue of it opening now? I am opening it since the INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED IS NOT ACCURATE!

6) Warranty doesn't state that the recovery information is not true/ accurate. again proof by jagex.

7) Yeh but that doesn't mean that you give invalid information about recovery request? if you have been true from the start and you told me that you don't have access to the information that would work to recover the account then we wouldn't have been here in the first place.

8) I am answering every question / request you asked for but you haven't yet given me the actual true information that would work to recover the account which is mine.

I have not sold the account. I simply didn't.

I would also comply with any Mods actions here, all I want is you to give me the proper account information? its my right to have this given to me accurately during the buying stage and you claimed its true, however it is not.

I demand account recovery mainly. if you still can't recover it nor provide actual information then I need a refund.

 

Whats happening here is:

You claim that I have resold the account.
- You have no proof behind this claim at all , also it is not true.


I claim that the information that you have provided regarding the Original Owner information is not true.
- I have proof behind it and it is listed in the topic above.
- You claim that the account information is true , but the email from Jagex denies that claim.

 

I am simply being calm and sticking to facts here, based on the transaction, as well as things you have said on this topic.

The wording of the email response from Jagex is not exactly as you claim. Mod Melora states that the information you provided alongside info on their system does not indicate you as the rightful owner of the account.

You say in your own words you lost access in January and that you no longer have access to your own email you set on the account. There is no evidence needed regarding those two things as you said them yourself.

Literally all details I gave you are true, especially personal details. In fact, I am so confident that multiple high profile users here would confirm (although they do not have the right to do so as they are not permitted to comment here). That being said, multiple mods and ex-mods likely know many of the personal details about myself, such as when I've needed to send them such information to re-access sythe in the past, etc.

You are simply claiming the information I gave you is not accurate, but that is false.

What is true here (unless you're lying - not an accusation, just pointing out another possibility), is that you did not secure the account properly. You forgot the password (your own words) and no longer have access to your email (also your own words). Don't you think that it is very careless to not remember the password, and then also not secure your own email address you attached to the account?

If everything you've said is true then you were extremely careless at best. Alternatively, you have sold this account and are trying to get me to recover it. That is what I want to get to the bottom of. That last thing I want to be part of is recovering an account from somebody and causing them a loss.

You are trying to claim you are not accusing me of anything here, but you're not being very cooperative, have only focused on what benefits you, and have not responded to some of the points I've made.

I believe my TOS were clear, thought out, and followed Sythe.org rules and suggestions. It also stated very clearly in my TOS that sales are final and I do not take returns. In fact... I'll just paste the terms here again:

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1) I reserve the right to not trade with anyone I feel is risky/untrustworthy
2) Buyer needs to understand Sythe rules and the section rules. Will need to confirm they have read the rules and understand the rules on sythe.
3) Even if the buyer does not have a sythe account, the sythe rules will still apply as this is the only place I am advertising the account for sale.
4) I am the original owner and therefore I will take responsibility for helping the buyer recover the account if it gets locked. I reserve the right to protect my rights as much as possible according to sythe.org rules. If the buyer resells the account to somebody else then it voids my responsibility of unlock attempts, as reselling will greatly increase the risk of locks, plus the buyer could attempt to recover from the person he/she sells to.
5) I will never recover the account unless the buyer asks me to. If the account ever got locked for example, the buyer can contact me at any time and ask for my help. I will be more than happy to help. It should be noted that warranty is only offered for 1 month, in which the buyer has plenty of time to secure the account.
6) The buyer should be committed to buy. There are no returns policy as the buyer will have the login details and other personal information related to the account, therefore I will not accept returns.
7) As a reputable seller and long-term user I am reasonable though. If the account got locked in a way I cannot unlock it within 1 month after the sale, then I will refund the buyer in full with any transaction fees being my expense.


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Lastly, here should be all chatlogs prior to, and following the sale - until present day. Not just snippets, but the whole logs. Including the parts where I look pretty bad as you couldn't get in contact with me, which again I apologise for.

Chatlogs I screenshot yesterday before you changed name on discord from NET to MARCI: redacted

FULL complete chatlogs from first ever contact (except the transfer of ownership of account due to personal info. Can send to mods privately if requested): redacted

 

what the fuck is wrong with you? Including personal information and pretty sensitive and traumatic thing happened to me in public is very very disrespectful of you, I could also list your information.

You either trying to deny the fact that you sold me an account that you don't have the original information for, or you are the one who recovered it for your own good.

Please can a mod reply to this and let him give me the correct information.

YOU ALSO HAVE REVEALED THE ACCOUNT USERNAME AND SOME DETAILS OF IT ?
Screenshot - 78dc1134728aafbb8c7762ef66cc5013 - Gyazo

Whats going on here? if you have mods as friends on a personal level does that give you ability to share out sensitive information?

Please either recover me the account or someone ban him. I didn't quite expect that from a person like you seemed nice enough but accusing and literally giving out info of the account on the screenshot is bad enough.

please any mod respond asap.



THE WHOLE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME IS FALSE ELSE IT WOULD HAVE RECOVERED THE ACCOUNT TO ME.

 

I have been so cooperative with you, I offered you the only fair solution to fix this case, however you decided to not do it.
For obvious reasons that either:
1- You are the one who recovered the account.
or
2- (Most likely) you do not know the original information and provided me with fake information.

 

So "original information" is not true as I thought then. if it was "true" they would have guaranteed success as Jagex website refers to "Original OWNER CAN ALWAYS REGAIN ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT"

 

I will no longer respond to your replies, I have given the solution and you didn't want to work with me on it.
I will wait @Pirate to respond or any other mod and work with whichever they see suitable for this case.