Scammed by SaintOfSins

Ok so I paypal saint 15$ to get me 86-90 slayer about 5 days ago. He hardy logs on my account and keeps saying hes busy( im still 86) I planned to pay him a further 125$ just to have him randomly skill/paid acc sharing.

Today I log on about 15 minutes before I post this and see half my bank gone, about 45m and im at party petes castle. Will Upload the picutures in a minute. Luckily I havent gifted him the 15$ (god forbid if I had paid him the 125$ ) as paypal does NOT let me pay via gift from my country and am considering recovering it. I do NOT know how to even go about it as this is the first time I have been scammed. I only made a deal with him as he seemed fairly trusted and I have worked with the other [RSHELPER] Taf who has provided impeccable service. In addition to the ban I seek, I also want advice on whether I should file a dispute, how to go about it etc. I will need the cash to cover selling the junk to somebody on sythe.

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EDIT: I ALSO HAVE THE PIC OF THE PAYPAL TRADE WILL POST IF NEEDED/REQUESTED.



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Ill need paypal payment pictures, MSN convo chat screens, and any PMs you have exchanged since. Thanks

 

Heres the paypal payment




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This is the second paypal payment of 1 $ as he claims he recieved about 14.20




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Need any MSN chats you have, proof that is his paypal, as well as correspondence between the two of you if you have contacted him since it happened.

 

Heres one of numerous chat logs

I understand that these are insufficient evidence but I dont have screenshots nor the rest of the logs. As saving logs is disabled on my msn. Id just like you to consider it however. I have yet to speak with saintofsins. Here is the first time we spoke

lok says:
oh finaly
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
whatsup
lok says:
buying slayer
please tell me youll do it
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yes
lok says:
woot k
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
what do you want to order?
lok says:
slayer xp
u say its like 5$ for 500k xp not botted and depends on cb and gear right
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
thats not my thread or my prices
that guy scammed many people and isnt banned yet
lok says:
? it has your msn on it?
oh
wtf
whats his name
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
ultimatos
lok says:
kartik ranjan?
wow
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yes
lok says:
i was about
to let him do a task
i mean hunter
and i dont got bank pin
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
dont even go to him
lok says:
wow kk
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yeah
lok says:
[email protected] is legit?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
i also train accounts
im with them
lok says:
ok
link me ur thread plox
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=706071
lok says:
i dont get it
uve posted on his thread
saying
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
its undercontruction atm. were changing the layout and deleteing his name
lok says:
uve joined rs helper
kk
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
that was a long time ago.
u can even ask taf
that he scammed 2 people
lok says:
kk
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
so far, ive done a 70-80 smithing order, he trusted me with over 400m
lok says:
ye ye i know youre legit
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
on the same account, im botting him FM to 99 from 55, im 92 atm
lok says:
i was worried about him
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yeah. its just hard because ultimatos scams ppl and i dont want them to go to him
lok says:
kk
anyways
ull do slayer to start me off with?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yes lol
what do u want
lok says:
im almost 87 slayer
i want 90
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
so 86-90
lok says:
umm u dont charge xp wise?
cause
its almot 87
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
how much xp is less
left
lok says:
sec let me check
u will bank the loots and charms and leave the slayer points right?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yes
lok says:
btw what else do u do?
only slay?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
i do all skill services
+ barbian assault
lok says:
ok do slay atm
i need slay
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay
lok says:
im 136 turmoil with super antifires + z spear for dragon taks
ags torso whip dd def etc
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay
12$
lok says:
im 156k from 87 actually
15?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
phewww uhh
15 will do
lok says:
ok
ill take all ur skill services if u prove legit
tbh ill pay u pretty much to share my acc
and u can do whatever
pk, skill or qust
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay. *i would mostly skill
lok says:
ok excellent
im waiting on some cash soon its my birthday januray 9th
so lets start off with this
gimme ur paypal id
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
[email protected]
btw what is your smithing level?
because i do my own thing, i get 99 smithing for 50$ and you profit i think its 150-200m
lok says:
wo
wow
but is it botting
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
botting, i watch the account, i play legit from time to time
lok says:
idm if it is but i hear the ban rate is very very high
u babysit it?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
account safety is my top priority
lok says:
ok
excellent
maybe we can work a deal out
where i pay u the 50
u do it
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
i could do that
lok says:
but also
take breaks to slay and
do some hand training
ill pay 50+ ofc
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay. i can do that
lok says:
kk
anywyas
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
btw, what is your current task
lok says:
wait till after 9th for all that crap
let me get my cc
wait
nechrayel
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
rawrr ok
lok says:
oh lol i already bot fc from u i think
anywasy
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
firecape?
lok says:
15 $ right?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yes
lok says:
sent
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
recieved
lok says:
ok
login id: alisssasa
password: salient7

wait 1 min i just logged ou
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
oh yeah
i did do work for you
lok says:
ye
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
what did you order?
lok says:
torso i think
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
oh yes
thats what i did
lok says:

[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay
and sorry to be likce this, but can you send .89cents there was a fee
lok says:
lol k
take a dollar
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
lol okay
lok says:
why is there a fee tho
sent
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
because you are using a credit card
and not bank funded i believe
lok says:
yeah
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
and the fee occurs when you are outside the US'
lok says:
kk
just wanted to know
how much profit was the smithing thing
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
it should be 150-200m
lok says:
ok
sounds good
try and work me out a package
like
tbh
how much would i have to pay for u to share the acc on a long term basis
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
lets just say 125$ would be a very wise choice.
lok says:
yeah but
for how long
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
you would be nearly maxed out.
8 months
lok says:
ok
and id have some cash?
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
you would have a 500m cashpile.
lok says:
excellent
ill do it i think
my rules are no rules you can do whatever, have fun mess iwth the bank
pk even
but
dont get it banned
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yeah def
lok says:
ok give me a few days
to work on the cash
u can start after i pay you say, give me a week i think it will take me that long to get the cash maybe less
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay no problem
hopefully i can get the slayer done
lok says:
kk
take your time, ags on lend for a few hrs btw
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay
ags pker?
lok says:
umm ags sometimes usually just old shcool whi[p + dds
need korasi and chaotics
but cba atm
i brid
but need yak atleast
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
yeah
yak def
do you mind if i delete your last bank tab, and re organize it to put things ill need in their to make it easier
lok says:
yeah sure go ahead
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
because its pretty much junk in their
thank you
lok says:
u can change em all just leave the pots
well change that too if u want actually lol
[RSHELPER]-Saint says:
okay, ill keep the pots
im just changing the last tab
lok says:
dw i aint gonna micro manage, do whatever u want
feel free

 

We havent had correspondence since it happened, Ummm im trying to figure out how to prove its his paypal.



EDIT: IT has his name, which is blacked out i can unblack it out I suppose

 

PM me the picture of the paypal email that has his name. And chat logs are not sufficient. So you have not tried talking to him about it at all? If not, please send him a PM asking why he never finished your order, and the reasoning behind the missing items on your account, then let us know his response.

 

I pmed you. Guess I will wait to recover my cash.

 

plznate can we talk on msn.

 

Ok so we talked on msn I DO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SAVED AND HAVE SCREENSHOTS will supply to any mod.

lok says:
hi
you were the only person with the pass
RSHELPER-Saint says:
hello
i never scammed you, why would i do that
ive done numerous orders, whith more then triple of what you had
lok says:
so the trade magically happened?
RSHELPER-Saint says:
what?
lok says:
my bank gone for junk?
RSHELPER-Saint says:
im not a junk trader
lok says:
i know
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i dont even have an account
lok says:
all the evidence points at you
RSHELPER-Saint says:
you have given your password to other people. which could of also of done it.
lok says:
no
i have no
not
RSHELPER-Saint says:
and Honestly just think
lok says:
nobody had it
RSHELPER-Saint says:
hold on for a sec
Honestly, if i was scamming
why wouldn't i wait for the 125$?
lok says:
i dont know why you woudnt
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i didn't scam you.
lok says:
you were the only person with the password
RSHELPER-Saint says:
perhaps you have a keylogger? i know i don't. im on a mac
lok says:
when i changed it
no i dont have any
i have several antivirus programs
RSHELPER-Saint says:
Virus scan your comp
lok says:
i did many times
i want a 15$ refund
as you havent done anything anyway
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i dont know what to tell you; i didnt do anything
lok says:
give me a refund, you havent even got 20k slayer xp
RSHELPER-Saint says:
you have been on when i go to try and train
lok says:
youve never pmed me asking me to log, even when i specifically instructed you too
As youve done nothing, and im sure the sythe mods will agree with me
I deserve a refund
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i have nudged you like requested
lok says:
and I have immediately logged.
You havent got me any slayer xp, give me my refund. What kind of excuses are you making up
RSHELPER-Saint says:
ive gotten you over 50k slayer xp
lok says:
give me my refund please, I have not used any of your time, the deal was 15 $ for 86-90
so subtract 1 $ and refund me 14 $
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i cant even do that because there is a dispute
lok says:
i will cancel the dispute
if you send me 14$

RSHELPER-Saint says:
and it wasn't me who scammed you. so why do i have to cancle an order?
your canceling it, especially when i can train it still
lok says:
not a chance in hell youre getting anywhere near my account again
and i will post this conversation on sythe
and further actions will be taken unless you agree to my dispute
or refund me
RSHELPER-Saint says:
okay? once again i didnt scam you, i never even logged on your account that day so.
all you would of had to of done is to take a picture of the IP adress
lok says:
its your word against mine. I have screenshots, I suppose there is no way to prove that it actually was you
RSHELPER-Saint says:
and i could of proven it wasn't me.
lok says:
how would that help
RSHELPER-Saint says:
do you have the picture?
lok says:
anyone can manipulate their ip wuth a proxy
no and i dont give a damn about what ip it was
as you and I were the only people with the passwords.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
thats not true
lok says: (6:32:19 PM)
also it hasnt been me ive been asking mates to get me all the quest skill reqs which i have now. except for farm
lok says:
I dont care if its true or a not, I will post this along with our chat logs on sythe.
yeah but I changed the pass after
as I have pmed you
with the new pass
RSHELPER-Saint says:
it could of been scammed when you were changing the pass. because i never signed in
i never signed in the first place, i was fiinishing my 99 fm order
lok says:
I was logged in, I changed the pass and pmed you
you and I were thus the only people on the account.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
y
lok says:
Now give me my refund.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
you could of just gotten ahcked
and thats not preventable
lok says:
well let the sythe mods decide.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i wouldnt scam you for your 50m
lok says:
Either way as you have not done any training on my account
give me my refund.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
If you wouldn't play rs on the times i tried to train, it could of easily been done
lok says:
What kind of retarded reason is that
I told you to pm me
and you never did
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i nudged you
lok says:
and I pmed you back saying id log immediately and did
now give me the refund or I will report you on sythe.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
and thus i was finishing up my 99 fm order, so i was never on your account
lok says:
im sick of your bullshit excuses, are you going to refund me or no.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
talk to my other customers who had over 400M on their accounts
ask if i scammed them
lok says:
i dont care
RSHELPER-Saint says:
that plays a big part
lok says:
tell me yes or no
no it doesnt matter a damn to me
so i ask you again
will you refund me or no
RSHELPER-Saint says:
Just because you got hacked during this process doesn't mean it was me. *No, im not refunding you because i am simpily tring to resolve this issue, trying to work it out with you. and you too headstrong to just realize possibilities that could happen. so no. im not refunding you.*
lok says:
ok then.











I THINK THE LEAST HE COULD DO IS REFUND ME MY 15 $ as has not leveled even one level. I serioulsy think he should be banned. Taf180, another member of RSHELPER mentioned that im the second person whos been scammed by him.

Mods please please investigate.

 

continued conversation.

talk to my other customers who had over 400M on their accounts
ask if i scammed them
lok says:
i dont care
RSHELPER-Saint says:
that plays a big part
lok says:
tell me yes or no
no it doesnt matter a damn to me
so i ask you again
will you refund me or no
RSHELPER-Saint says:
Just because you got hacked during this process doesn't mean it was me. *No, im not refunding you because i am simpily tring to resolve this issue, trying to work it out with you. and you too headstrong to just realize possibilities that could happen. so no. im not refunding you.*
lok says:
ok then.
whats your paypal email?
there will be consequences.
RSHELPER-Saint says:
i have many people that would vouch for me that this is unlike anything i would do. im honest, i wouldn't scam you. i want to try to help you out, and your not working with me
lok says:
i dont care about your lies anymore, whether sythe finn penn or god himself would vouch for you. Just give me my money back or pay the price.

 

EDIT: I give up, do with him what you will. He now accuses me of ban evading.

I filed a claim on the transaction. Perhaps I will be banned on sythe as I do not have significant proof against him. I have gone first in every single transaction I have made on sythe (which isnt many it must be said). But my conscience allowed me to go ahead and cancel. All my payments have been through either bank transfer or paypal (NON GIFT). If I am banned on sythe for claiming my money with insignificant proof, then so be it. I feel vindicated. I made stupid mistakes by not taking proper screenshots, but I wonder if even if I had taken a pic of the ip as he had claimed i should have, it would be of any benefit? afterall he could just accuse my computer of being keylogged as he has already done.

Im morally obligated to ask you to be wary while entrusting your account with saintofsins though.


To saint: Im obviously not going to disclose your paypal email to anybody or other such lowlife things as rs is only a game and 15$ aint worth it bud. Enjoy your free money