To all atheists

By your first post you said "its not as much as people not believing as much anymore in a god" ... so aren't you saying people still believe in God?

 

Atheists are no different than theists in essence; they convince themselves that their belief is the absolute truth despite lack of evidence for either.

 

Atheists don't convice themselves of anything and don't believe their way is absolute truth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnostic

 

Atheism is not the belief there is no god; it is the lack of belief that there is one. There is nothing about the disbelief in the existence of gods which could be classified as a conviction of absolute truth.

 

Are you saying agnostics are atheists? Because I see nothing listed in that atheist link that suggests otherwise.

 

I'll use the definition so kindly supplied.

–noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

You unconditionally believe that there is no higher being, or god. No room for movement no matter how you argue it.

 

Atheism is defined as the disbelief in the existence of god, whereas agnosticism is defined as the lack of knowledge regarding the the existence of god. The two terms are not mutually exclusive; one could disbelieve in the existence of god, but acknowledge that they do not posses absolute knowledge regarding the question. This would be an example of agnostic atheism (where knowledge is defined as absolute, or near absolute certainty), and is rather like the position one takes in regard to the existence of fairies, or Santa Claus; there is nothing logically impossible with either proposition, however there is no evidence in favor of the existence of such a being, and its existence is most improbable.

Denial, or disbelief is not unconditional; new evidence can change it. If your friend told you that he won the lottery, you would probably disbelieve him in the absence of evidence, however if such evidence came to light, you could easily change your position accordingly. You would also not claim to know that he didn't win the lottery (e.g. you wouldn't unconditionally believe that he did not win), but would rather present skepticism in regard to his extraordinary claim that he did win.

 

But I'm not talking about agnostic atheists, I am talking about atheists; there is a contrast, and that what was what my comparison between Theists and atheists was. This is simply unrelated.

Well any human is swayed by the existence of evidence; it simply changes what you're called.

 

Agnostic atheism is a subcategory of atheism; if you make a claim in regard to atheism, you are making the same claim about each of its subcategories. You said that atheists "convince themselves that their belief is the absolute truth," however this is simply false; while this can be said of some atheists, it cannot be said of all of them, and so cannot be said of atheism as a whole.

 

My intention was to get across the point that disbelief in a god isn't just a matter of just saying you don't believe because of the lack of evidence of one, it's also starting to more include the fact that we have growing explanations for all these events we have that were once considered divine.
Atheism is beginning to gather more and more support on it's side from logic. Not just the idea that there is no god, which was logical enough based of the evidence given but now we can back it up with more enveloping evidence like atoms and entropy and so on.

 

They're still labeled under a different title; so I don't consider them the same since the beliefs are different, and the view points are different. You can see it differently; but I'm telling you what my comparison was. Strict definition of atheism (which many follow) against strict theism (which even more follow).

Quit arguing semantics with me, it's getting dull.

 

You do know some theist claim to be agnostic theists. The point is your post is incorrect atheists does not ''convince themselves that their belief is the absolute truth ''.

Agnostic atheist and atheist are the same but different. same goes for theists and gnostic theists.

Same goes for gnostic atheists. No one here claimed to know 100% (i surely hope not) there isn't a higher being out there. If they do they must provide proof of such claims, Problem is all of these things are the same yet different.

BTW The thread is to all atheists which consist of Atheists,Agnostics and gnostic.

 

Depends what you mean by higher power, if you mean god then I'm 100%
sure there isn't one. Especially when the only argument towards the possibility of there being one is fully based on someone denying logic and hoping through faith it will be true.

 

Well spoken, Deacon. I agree with you, in addition most war's is based on religious views.

 

I don't think its quite fair to cast judgement on a religion based on how others have screwed up.

At the same time, I don't believe religion/ religious institutions are always bad, but I'll admit there are some that are so far gone it makes me ashamed to know they're getting away with that. Take for example Westboro Baptist..

I'm a Christian and I would say I have a positive impact on others. I never push my beliefs onto anyone, and if anyone asks why I've never had alcohol, why I don't say cuss words, or why I'm still a virgin, I'll tell them why, but thats it. So @Deacon, I don't understand how you can say people like myself don't care about our future generations and I'm definitetly unsure of how you can say people like myself are 'self centered', thats so far from the truth it makes me /facepalm.

I have a question for the atheists on these forums.. how many of you have actually read and studied the bible?

 

I don't need your respect,your banned.

 

I have read parts of it, I understand your view. I don't have anything against religious people like you, but some extremists is as you say 'far gone.' I'm an atheist myself but I don't push it on others like some Christian groups etc. Again, I'm not judging a whole lot because of some. I enjoy believing in human kind. Sorry for my earlier post, I'm not judging whole gropus-religiouns because of individuals. Even though I would probably prefer that some religiouns didn't make people die :/ Thats a normal hum thought.

OT: My name is Christian

 

Yea I agree about having a war over religion, thats ludacris. Sometimes I wonder about our race. I grew up going to a church, but after reading the Bible and studying it, I realized there are so many things that my church and many others are so wrong about. If you were to go to my church for the first time, you'd feel so out of place I wouldn't blame you if you never came back. Alot of times, people get a bad taste in their mouth from an experience they had with some form of religious group, but let me assure you, those 'Churches' aren't doing it like its supposed to be done.

Haha and the name part made me laugh

 

Hitler: Athiest - 6,000,000 killed;
Stalin: Athiest - 20,000,000 killed;
Mao: Athiest - 15,000,000 killed;
Genghis Khan: Athiest - 2,500,000 killed.


yeah

 

That is not at all what I'm talking about. I agree with you, everybody can do shitty stuff. I'm talking about NOW.

-Camels.