@Finn./Pardons

Since you implicated the new rules. I think it's kind of dumb.


Well if you can't accumulate 5 supporting staff members in 2 days. To "Support" a discussion or w/e, then you get automatically denied.


That's even worse than just having a admin review it them selves and make a decision.


Yes obviously for people like Giddy, staff easily jumped in, because they are friends with them etc. Not saying staff is lazy, but why allow them to post their thoughts in the decision making, if they aren't even going to give each thread a fair chance.

Anyways, just saying it's pretty dumb to deny pardons because mods/admins don't give a response. It should have to have X Amount of Denys.

 

I totally agree with you it should be a decision based on a few things... what if 5 mods dont see it then it gets auto denied.

 

I was the one who suggested a similiar change, however given Finn's more thorough explanation of how the system should work, 2 days is sufficient as he says.

 

in my opinion i dont think that the 5 thing is good and my reason being is that if a liked member / friend of mods etc requests a pardon they are way more likely to get supporting votes or mods are more likely to look at the threads then if it is some random member, i would support the idea if it was a 5 day ( or something similar ) because then it gives the mods more time to veiw the thread ( mayb a couple were busy in the days and couldnt get on ) or even have a poll that staff only can vote weither or not they should be back in the community..

 

People should just be happy that they are given the right to write a high pardon.

 

In all honesty, if they are not well liked or known in some way for their contributions to the site, then their chance of being considered a worthy recipient of a high pardon are slim anyways...

As Finn said, they are ONLY for the most deserving people on the site who have shown character reform, in addition to significant contributions to the site.

 

Or you could add a 'Pardon' job to some of the mods who only have 1 or 2 jobs. giving them a chance to look at it, instead of other things they do.
Or have a random/voluntary draw.
I'm not disagreeing with the 2 day rule though, I think you should take it a step further and say 'you are only elligible if you claimed you did wrong, rather than get banned and then ask for it' as gohan and such did.

 

Then you have members who are not here to win a popularity contest and are not renowned among staff or other popular members. Ive observed in this community you must be popular to be given second chances and be to recognized. Pure example is staff choice those who are usually popular in a section and contribute greatly increases their chances of being recognized. Then you have the member who rarely posts but has depth in his/her posts do not tend to be to popular and not be recognized.

If the 2 have a pardon in motion it will be very hard due to the fact one member has support from the community but made a bad choice.

Ill use myself as an example i am very unknown on sythe Ive had my share of infractions/outbursts like any other member. But if i get framed or whatever reason that causes me to be in a position of possibly getting perm banned no mod or member can vouch for me because i am simply unknown.

The only thing that saves the popular member is due to mods can vouch for his kindness/contribution to sythe. But who is to say other than mods when one member has actually done something good for the community? Be it reporting spammers? Catching ban evaders? Posting helpful stuff? the list goes on but i am sure you all get the point.


All this assuming you don't go back and read and look at the quality of a member post before deciding to decline the pardon i don't know anyone methods and i don't claim to know.


edit @nate How can you really tell if a person is reformed or not anyone with a decent brain can sound sincere online scammers do it all the time. That part falls into the judgement of how the person reviewing the pardon feels at that moment. A person can truly be sorry and made a horrible mistake because he/she got scammed and then scammed because justice wasn't served but learned the way they took was wrong and can be declined for a pardon.

 

No disrespect was meant to be implied there Finn.

What I'm trying to say is, it seems like mods will only post if they are friends with them or know them well.


Examples.

Giddy. Long time trusted member, I'm sure he didn't "ask" them to post, but every one pretty much knows him.


Inventor's pardons- No one really seems to like him, regardless to the fact of what he did in the past, mods showed their opinion which was strongly against a pardon, as well as when "Grafix" disputed.


I'm just saying, if the mods don't personally know the user, it seems like they don't care enough to evaluate a pardon to give either a thumbs up or thumbs down on the request.

(Only read your first post on here Finn, not replying to others, so maybe they said something similar.)

 

Hey, we don't care about ban evaders

 

Stop the bullshit. I seen many vaders get pardoned. And to add my 2 cents, I think it's a dumbass idea. Reason? What if someone that deals heavily in one part of the forum, ie graphics, and never leaves that part. Gets banned for something stupid, how would he get 5 votes when almost no staff visits the forum enough to know the person? OR many other examples. Ridiculous if you ask me.

 

I had a similar observation, though Finns comments altered my opinion. I understand that this opinion may be seen as biased, but once upon a time members weren't even given the right to request a pardon. Just because we've introduced this new system does not mean it should be easy.

First, that was a rather rude thing to say to NNK. Secondly, there are a couple of staff members who regularly attend the GFX forum (Namely Alteranz) and if he came in saying that the member in person is a wonderful, contributing member to the website who deserves a pardon, other staff members would check him out. Browse his recent posts, see how he's helped the site and the community, and then if we agree with him we'll give our own verdict on the case.

I don't think that the Sythe community understands what a great privilege it is to be pardoned. You have to be a huge contributer, and be genuinely sorry for your previous mistakes (which is hard to tell over the internet.)

 

You're right, my apologies NNK.

However, I don't agree with any of the reasons the staff have of having the rule. I'd rather no pardons than staff biased ones.

 

I'm going to say what I have seen over a couple days.

It's simply a popularity contest. T'is easy. Get popular, then if you make a mistake, you'll surely get your pardon 5 replies, whether nay or yay.

 

I agree with you, it's complete crap and a joke. It should be eliminated.

 

I can agree with some of you that Sythe is full of drama and from what I've seen; decisions that appear to be based upon popularity. I'm not saying this is what goes on, but I've seen it quite a few times including disputes.