To all atheists

The examples in the bible aren't as much as hypocrisies as they are just incredibly illogical happenings. I mean take the holy trinity for example and correlate that to the event timeline of- Adam and eve with the apple, the conception of jesus, and the death of jesus. I just love how god gave life to himself to make himself sacrifice himself in the name of himself for the sake of pleasing himself so he himself could undo an original sin he created....yeah say that 3 times fast.

The only hypocrisy i can see right away is how this "good" and "merciful" god actually does most of the slaughtering in the bible compared to his "evil" and "vengeful" counterpart.

Exactly as Jimmy stated this is purely your opinion and thus can't be used as fact.

And what? No religions in the beginning?

1.) There are records of hundreds of religions before Christianity came into play, while they atleast made more sense and relied on deifying the elements and the sun because they had atleast some tangible form.

2.) The story of Jesus Christ isn't even close to being original, there are recordings of similar timeliness occurring in countless other prophets. Hell, the life story of Horus (Egyptian, so way before Christianity) is almost an exact duplicate, from the birth to the number of years he spent doing everything.

So pretty much the story of Jesus Christ is just the world's oldest repost.

1.) Yeah but the only problem with priests and these "messengers" is because it's not just recently the religion has been corrupt its always been corrupt becuase that's what religion is. Formed from an idea that is used to play on the masses conscious and unconscious fear of death and the afterlife.

So it's not these fake religions, its religion itself that causes this internal conflict, not one specific religion but the idea of it as a whole.

2.) Wait wait wait wait WHAT???

I can't believe i even read this...well first of all by stating atheist's have to revert to logic to face an argument god exists is basically you saying that your side of the argument is thus illogical.

We use logic because that is the basis of truth. With logic we can compromise a situation and accept its discrepancies while still proving its validity. With faith and "god's will" there is no medium because any sort of compromise will be the religions downfall and thus disprove it.

3.)

I'm confused are you saying it's bad to bounce ideas off other people and work together?

1.) The bible is a real book, there's alot of good fiction out there especially Stephen King =D but in all seriousness, you can fight to say the bible is a real book, but that still doesn't help you with the fact that ITS NOT THE REAL BIBLE the bible has been changed and reversed countless times to fit the agenda of the kings and warlords that were held in power because it's alot more convincing to the uneducated masses to say "It is god's will and here is proof" and they would have to believe it since they couldn't read it if their lives depended on it.

2.) The whole resurrection concept again eh...we can't say with full confidence he was raised from the dead as there are many other possiblities to what could have happened.

(Just a little side note to anyone who reads this: There's a movie called 'The man from earth' WATCH THIS, it is amazing and gives a good explanation to this whole argument. Such an amazing movie with such a low budget)

2a.) So if the resurrection did happen, is that your only actual form of evidence that god exists? Because if that's it and everything else is up to speculation and faith then your side doesn't have a very strong support section.

2b.) Since the bible is written by certain individuals 'perception' of the event then this can hardly be taken a complete fact. Hell even lawyers hate having witnesses most of the time because witnesses are impartial to their own viewpoint.

There's an example of this I can't remember it exactly but it goes something like this: If there's a car accident at an intersection and theres a person at each corner of the sidewalk where it happened, each one will have their own version of the accident and what happened.

So the people who believed him to be some sort of deity will write him as such, and those who don't weren't even allowed to have their view in the bible, or they crucified him XD

Ill end this with a quote by Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

 

look at what religion forces people in africa to do, it seperates famileys, makes people commit suside, study early religion where in europe they forced people to believe and killed people who didnt or apposed to it. atheist are doing more harm then all of ur religious people ever done..

 

I believe it is important not to harass people, but to expand their minds. I think that someone who believes in a religion/afterlife has every right to do so, yet I think that it is good for them to hear an argument against his/her opinion.

The reason for this "necessity of mind-opening" is that most people who believe in a religion have believed in that religion from an early age because of some major thing in their life, whether it be a parent, teacher, or whole society. There is a large chance that the person was brought up in an environment where one would be disrespected if one voiced opinions against their religion. In this case, it is important to give the believer, whose mind has been restricted in to believing through fear, a chance to open his/her mind and see the other religions/opinions out there.

However, I would like to stress that atheists should not strut around acting as if they are the only correct ones, just as religious people should not behave in the same matter, simply because there is no possible way to prove who is correct. Religion and atheism are theories.

 

No way to prove who's correct? Atheists do not have to prove themselves correct. Religion is inherently a positive claim and atheism merely refutes religion's positive claim and is a negative claim. The lack of a god is the default position because there is no evidence for a god. You cannot ask an atheist to prove himself by proving a negative. Arguing against someone and asking them to prove a negative is fallacious.

 

The fuck? Christianity wasn't the first religion.

1. The Egyptian religion can also be considered the oldest religion. Its origins date back beyond 3000 BCE.
2. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Abraham dates back to 1800 BC.

Yeah...

I'm still unsure on what you are trying the say here.

Yeah, I'm totally with you there. I think Christianity is the worst of these though. With all due respect.

Wait what? God exists isn't an argument, it's a statement (an incorrect statement at that). What exact same thing?

I don't understand how this proves God is real? Please explain.

(If you this is the word of God as you claim it to be, how come there are contradictions?)

 

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”[/QUOTE]

I actually laughed at this.

Here is a little explanation of who God is. And I am going to answer the question everyone always asks. "If God is real and he is a perfect God, why does he let all this evil happen in the world?"

Let me put it into perspective. There are people in this world that believe in heaven. But not in Hell. They believe that if you are a good person you will be good enough to get into heaven.

God. He is almighty. If we could comprehend his power our brains would probably explode with all of that knowledge. He has total control over life and death. He sees all, hears all and knows all. He knows everything about every single person in the entire world.

Now. God put into place the ten commandments. Those are the laws of humanity. I think it is safe to say that every single person has lied in their time here on earth. They have broken one of Gods laws. The reason God put these laws into place is to keep heaven perfect. Heaven can not have law breakers in it.

"But I am a good person!"...If a murderer was on trial and the he told the judge "I'm a good person...let me go free." and the judge let him go...that is just wrong. I don't care who you are but that is wrong. This is exactly what God must go through.

Hell is an eternal "Jail" for breaking Gods laws. After you die you get sent there to await judgement day. Where God will show you your entire life played back for you to see. To watch how stupid you were. How blind you were.

You will stand in front of him on his throne. Naked. Alone. Afraid. He will bring out the book of life. If your name is not in the book of life...you will be sent to the place of fire and brimstone to burn for eternity. It is a place of screaming and gnashing of teeth. It is an eternal death sentence.

Now back to the courtroom. Let's say the judge sentenced you to death. But before you left the courtroom to your death...A man stood up and said that he would pay that penalty for you. He would suffer in your place. Would you accept that offer?

This is what God did when he sent his son Jesus down to earth to die. He sent Jesus as a living sacrifice for the sins (crimes) of the entire world. That is how much he loved us. He wants to wipe our slate clean. He wants us to accept his gift of forgiveness. In order to do that you must repent (admit to God that you are a sinner and not worthy of heaven) and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that he raised from the grave. Ask for forgiveness and God will grant you it.

Just like the judge does not like sending people to their death, God does not enjoy sending people to hell. But. He is a holy God. And heaven is a perfect place for people who have been cleansed of their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour. God gave us freewill when he created us. He wanted us to have atheists and other religions. But in the end. It is those who accepted his gift of forgiveness that will be saved for all of eternity.

A lesson on Christianity and what it really means for me to be Christian. I know where I am going when I die.


Some verses from the Bible. (King James Version) The correct translation of the Bible was in King James' time. It was not altered. Look it up.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son. That whosoever believes in him, should not perish. But have everlasting life."

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom."

Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

"All things are possible with Christ who strengthens me."

 

I am an athiest.
We all came into the world kicking and screaming, and we all leave silent and still.
I hate how there's a divide between everything. Racial divies, Religion vs Science. Even little things such as WoW vs RuneScape.

It's wrong to try to change someones perspective of such an emotional subject. And if I was in your shoes I too would find this very fustrating.
That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. Thanks.

 

I'm not understanding what's so funny about this? You say you laugh at it, but you don't even bother to make an attempt to counter it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear

If Heaven cannot have law breakers in it, and according to the bible humanity is evil. Evil meaning breaking moral codes, in this case the Ten Commandments and other religious laws, then nobody could get into heaven since we're all rule breakers?

I'm not understanding your analogy.

And this is based off of what? Opinion and bigotry?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear

If Jesus was sentenced to death for all of humanity, then surely everyone has a get out of jail free card now? At first you said it was wrong to ask for forgiveness from a judge, and claimed it was wrong.

Now your religion says it's okay to ask for forgiveness and receive it. Your beliefs and religion are a contradiction of each other. A contradicting religion, what else is new.

Basically your whole post was simply based on bullshit, bigotry, and opinion.

 

Respect. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That is the way we are.

 

Your too caught up in your own words and wrong thinking. That is all the atheists can come up with is "I don't get it." That's right. You never will. God never created us to "get" anything. Because only he can totally grasp how the world turns. As for my analogies they are all based on facts. The bible. Don't call bullshit on someone else just because you feel uneasy. It's natural to be angry. Anger and fear are both opposite and the same. It is because of the fear this topic creates that you become angry. You are missing that knowledge. And because it can not be proven...you say it is not real. God is almighty and wonderful. And I can not wait until my time comes and I will meet the creator of all things. To finally understand every little piece of creation. Now, that is something to live for.

I am entitled to my opinion. As are you. That is all.

 

Your too caught up in your own words and wrong thinking. That is all the atheists can come up with is "I don't get it." Thats right. And you never will. God never created us to "get" anything. Because only he can totally grasp how the world turns. As for my analogies they are all based on facts. The bible. Don't call bullshit on someone else just because you feel uneasy. It's natural to be angry. Anger and fear are both opposite and the same. It is because of the fear this topic creates that you become angry. You are missing that knowledge. And because it can not be proven...you say it is not real. God is almighty and wonderful. And I can not wait until my time comes and I will meet the creator of all things. To finally understand every little piece of creation. Now, that is something to live for.

I am entitled to my opinion. As are you. That is all.

 

Maybe you should've read the rules before posting in this section, your "opinion" is not welcome here.

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=476986

 

Better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

My opinions are based on truth.

 

You laugh yet you don't disprove. (As pure skillz mentioned)

I don't need to ask this question because it's obvious that even if god is real, he isn't an almighty power. Specifically because throughout the bible there are countless examples of God showing he is not omnipotent. Great in knowledge and power? Yes but he is nowhere close to what the idea of a god represents, to that basic mold of an image he is insignificant.

1.) Don't call it being a good person, because being just a 'good person' however you can define that since that's a personalized set of mind but i digress. You also have to follow the idea of the religion which is pretty much saying, be what we want you to be and nothing else.

1.) Hmm as i stated before god is not omnipotent if we base him off what we read in the bible. If he see's all, hears all, and knows all then why in heavens sake would man ever have original sin? He could have heard the snake tempting Eve, known she would have tempted Adam, and wouldn't be looking around the Garden for them if he sees all.

2.) I agree with the extreme interpretation of the commandments and also remember that everyone commits the seven deadly sins almost every day.

1.) But God did let murderers go free, back in the old days Priests would sell indulgences and this would absolve people of all their sins. But if these aren't true acts under god then why were they chosen as messengers in the first place? Because people were misled by their vouch of divinity or relationship with the divine? Oh because they are easily fooled into believing gods word because as i said before *bum bum bum* people back then had no idea how to interpret words or challenge words from a deified or so called deified individual and just went with whatever people said, hence how Jesus got his following.

2.) Heh setup the popcorn ima love my life movie.
and how stupid and blind we were? It seems that Christians should be called the blind ones considering they barely question something and go upon faith which requires you to turn a blind eye to the fact and put an immense amount of trust in someone you've never talked to or even seen.

Atleast people and atheist's question the idea, we refuse to be blind.

1.) But what if someone wants to go to hell? What if they get their rocks off on pain and suffering and blood? Do they get sent to heaven as their 'punishment' or get sent to hell like the others and receive 'pleasure'?

2.) Your analogy is flawed because in the case of Jesus Christ the people he "died" for did nothing wrong except have ancestors who supposedly went against god's wishes (I say supposedly because based on my interpretation of why he isn't omnipotent, if he is then he allowed it to happen thus making him the one at fault.). Well the killer in the courtroom actually committed this crime and even if someone takes the killers place he/she is still the actual and primary cause for anothers death.

I'm still not so much of a fan of god sending himself down to earth to beget himself so he himself can spread word of himself so that he may one day sacrifice himself to himself so as to repent for a crime he himself allowed to happen. (WTF XIBIT GET OUT OF THE BIBLE!)

God didn't give us free will, he gave us the perception to see free will and with that the want. If we reach out for it in anyway we will go against his word and thus sent to hell. Any form of free will land you in hell.

It is NOT the original writing lol, that has been lost since it was first changed and will be lost for an eternity.

hmm "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" Oh so its the FEAR now not just the belief? It's no longer enough to simply believe in god you must fear him?

One of the greatest reasons I can attest me being an atheist to is that it just makes this life so much grander. Through science and discovery we have new ideas and amazing concepts that just wrack the entire laws of the universe, whats out there is so much larger than God could ever hope to be. The galaxies and even universes beyond our reach are only a small portion of just the pure randomness and beauty nature can create. No, no God could create this, no god would want to, the randomness proves a probability for anything and everything. This would make nature far more unpredictable and allows it to work on a much larger scale. Nature is by which the true beauty of randomness is shown, and by which the ideas of gods fall.

 

I mind mine own busniss but here in Italy (dunno in other countries) they start making you believe in God when you are a child so they are the one who try to "convince everyone else" God exists. I think this is unfair because when you are a child you believe what adults say to you, when you grow up you are still influenced by this so lots of people keep believing in God without following that religion "rules". This is what happen in Italy. So if they convince everyone to believe in God when they are child I don't think is bad trying to convince people not to believe in God (which is a good thing so if for example I do it it's to help that person)
And: "what do you have to lose in believing in a higher power (example: God)?" So do you think I should believe in God because I have nothing to lose? Mmm that's nice, ok I believe in God now
I can't believe in God\Higher Powers because they can't be demostrated. I'm no atheist, I'm Agnostic.
PS Sorry for mistakes english is not my main language.

 

Your 'opinions of truth' and 'facts' are conceived off works from the bible - The Old Testament and The New Testament - None of which contains direct present day factual evidence that any of the recordings of claimed historic events ever occured. Anything you choose to believe from the bible is called faith, not fact. If you choose to believe in events such as the parting of the red sea, a man single-handedly killing hundreds of men with a jawbone and the great floods of Noah's time then that is your choice to do so. But, you can't claim truthfulness of such things when it's purpose is an obscured, hidden agenda that we can't possibly come to know of in this life.

 

I'm atheist, and i don't force my beliefs on other people, I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and as long as you dont try to force your religion on me (As many people tried to when i moved to Southern Louisiana) I wont bore you with my belief of religion and otherwise.

 

im an athiest,

AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE RELIGIOUS.
if ppl knew there was no super natural force, they wud just simply not care what they do, and they would only care about themselves and create massive chaos. I bet you, there wud b soooo many more ppl that wud rob banks if they knew there is no supernatural force.

 

You are aware there are religious criminals, right?

 

I'm pretty sure people kill in the name of their god or gods. Then there are some people who kill because they get kicks out of it.