Less Harsh Punishment For Ban Evaders?

I know what you guys are thinking... not some fool posting a suggestion saying ban evading shouldn't be against the rules. All I ask is for you to read through my thread, and you might have your mind changed.

My thought is that what can be harder then having to start all over again? That's my exact point for this suggestion. When someone is banned they lose everything. Reputation, dignity, post, all of this is lost.

My thought is that if someone likes the site so much that they come back for losing all of that, then why should they be punished? I'm not talking about the members that come here and get what 15 post, and then get banned, but actually the members that come here and maybe make a mistake in there first couple of weeks, or things along those lines.

What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that we should let those members that have had offenses such as the ones I have stated before, and actually allow them to ban evade. Along with this I also think there should be some rules.


-Said member must have at least 500 post (just an guess, could be less/more)
-Must of been a member of sythe for at least 3 months
-Will be granted a TWC upon return
-Will receive a ban in the section that they were banned in upon return (ex: If they scammed in the past, then a ban from the market)
-Must inform global/admin of them returning. If they are caught without doing so they will be banned permanently.
-Member must have been banned for one month before returning

Basically with what I've said above would block off any chance of repeating past actions. Tell me how it would hurt our community at all by letting someone willing to come back under these constrictions?

Anyways, please don't flame me for this suggestion. I'm only trying to make the overall community better by having something like this implemented. If you have anything you would like to say, or if you support/not support then go ahead and post with reason behind your choice. Thanks.

 

Support, Under the circumstances that if they scammed they are banned from the market section. But say some one is banned for something off-site and or something that has happened in the past, losing all your posts, vouches and reputation is enough of a punishment. But I have a feeling that this will be denied because of the fact that we do have the pardon system

 

Yes we do have the pardon system, but this will be more of a rule change then just a chance to be unbanned. Nonetheless it is similar, because we are looking to only allow fairly "good" members to come back. It seems the same but hopefully with this system more of these "good" people will be able to come back, but just under harsher punishments then being pardoned.

 

Anybody that would ban evade would evade these rules aswell.

 

How do you know that? Anyways if they evade the rules then they will simply be banned. If the people that are given this chance are smart, then they will use the opportunity to actually come back and enjoy the community rather then being banned. Say you gained some trust/friends on this site and were banned for doing something from when you first joined, or before you even joined on a different website. I'm sure that if you given this opportunity then, that you would abide by these rules. Also some of these rules can't be broken. (Ex: TWC, MarketBan, etc)

 

Why let them ban evade? Why not just let them have their account back?

Anyway, I don't support. There's no point. Why would we let them back if they did something wrong? There aren't any second chances here at Sythe, except for the High Pardon section. If someone is banned, they can hope to get back then.

 

Realizing that 75%+ of ban evaders are simply evading for the purpose of scamming is the most important thing.

Ban evasion and scamming go hand in hand. Most ban evaders don't deserve any more chances and the high pardon forum is there for those that do.

 

A permanent ban isn't just a way to wipe away someone's post count and reputation, it's a way to permanently keep them off the site. Also, it would be dishonest of both the evading member and the global/admin told about it to not inform the community of the evader's original identity, so there goes the argument about losing their reputation / dignity / etc.

 

Because it's part of the punishment for getting banned in the first place. After being banned remember that you lose everything from your account reputation, post, etc. It my not seem a lot from just me talking about it, but trust me when you get down to it that's a lot of time, and effort lost. Also why are we a forum with second chances? I like to think of it this way. If you give a dog a bone, then he will do a trick. If you give someone a second chance like this, then they will obey the rules/consequences. Also remember that these people won't just be back and running happily around the forums. I would suspect them to be on very thin ice, and also don't forget about the TWC and forum section ban. Nonetheless thanks for the post!

 

Then don't get banned?

 

It may be true that ban evaders more then likely come back just to scam, that's why we block them off from the market and give them a twc. With these things blocking theme from trading on sythe how are they even hurting the community? Also why should they be forced to stop being with friends/the community of this site for being banned. I know it's kind of "part of the punishment", but don't you think it's a little harsh?

I know that the permanent ban is to try, and keep them off the forum, but that's exactly what i'm trying to change. I think that some of the "good" members that have made mistakes in the past should be given another chance. Also about the about the identity of the person being given to the community what does it really matter? The member will be given a trade with caution that will surely make people cautious when trading with them, and more then likely they won't even be trading with them if they have a market forum ban because they scammed in the past.

 

What if it's something out of your control? Something that you have done before on separate website, and you can't do anything to stop from changing what you did in the past. I know you could still say "Well you shouldn't of done that in the first place" but that's the whole reason i'm posting right now. I think that this reasoning is too harsh, and should be lightened at least slightly. I have yet had someone tell me what harm they could do to the site with the restrictions they would have on these forums.

 

Lets not forget that the Permanent Ban is the worst punishment thats Given.. We don't give it for spamming, or for some flaming, Its for Serious Rule breaking. Anyone permanent banned are banned for exactly that.

Users can be forgiven, also, the terms you included are alot like the high pardon forum, So why don't we keep with what we have? the High pardon forum works.

You think a market ban and TwC is a reasonable punishment for someone who has stolen from another User?

 

You can step forward and be honest and request a high pardon.

If someone is permanently banned, it is usually because we feel they are a threat to this site.

 

I disagree. We have appeals for this reason. I think all vaders should get banned, and then the ones who deserved the leniency (aka, active, generally trustworthy, supportive and the vader issue was long ago) will actually have a good ban appeal. Why do we need to complicate the rules to support the minority of vaders who are banned?

 

Yes I understand this, although I wouldn't call some of it "serious". Is taking a level 50 runescape account on some old website a serious offense? I think that most would say not, but yet it's still a banable offense on these forums. I also believe that people should be given seconds chance, and that usually when they are given them they are thankful for them, and wouldn't do anything to mess it up. At least true members that love this community would.

 

Yes, it is a serious offense. Why is the 50 account that was hacked/recovered more important than a 138 with 10x99s? This grey area is the reason we have appeals and high pardons.

 

Yes, stealing is a serious offense. I think that most would say it is, and should be a banable (as well as a prosecutable) offense. True members that love this community can get a pardon or better yet, not do something to get banned in the first place. People know that if they scam then they are no longer welcome on the site. If your suggestion were put into action, then people would know that they could scam and be welcomed back, and thus would be more likely to do so.

 

Why should it not be? It shows Scamming Attributes, If they've done it before, they could do it again, besides.. If they were truly sorry, they'd admit to it before getting caught, Members have been Pardoned for Previous scamming offences.

See: High Pardon Forum.

 

What if you are a fairly unknown black market user that just does what he has to to get along in sythe, and doesn't fit in with the "spam group" or something along those lines. He is a good person but nobody really knows it. He does his trades, and doesn't scam anyone yet he isn't trying to be one of the popular members that everyone knows. Say he is banned for doing something on a site many years ago that he regrets to this day. He would make a high-pardon, but I would say it would be almost an %80 chance that it's denied. I don't want to point fingers at anyone, or blame anyone for anything but take a look at the accepted high pardons. You see people like gohanforever, hahanerd, plznate. I'm not trying to call these people out or anything, but these are the types of people that almost everyone on this site knows. With this new rule implemented people like the one I said above wouldn't be left out just be left out and denied with all the others, but with this new rule implemented everyone would get a chance.