To all atheists

You cannot change the way someone thinks but you can help them by showing other ways to think.

If x parents of x person has always told him that there was x god, he will believe in it. You cannot change anything about it, it's all about personal convictions.

I do not believe in god, by my parents do. If they would have told me that God did exist and all that stuff since I was born I would probably believe in God just like them.

 

Right now I am personally a faintly practicing christian who is having trouble believing in god, but I am trying. I considered myself an Athiest at one point.

If there is one thing I have to say to Athiests its that most of the are ignorant B*tches. I hate their ignorance. They need to understand that people whom believe in religon are not IDIOTS. Most are smart people and their is obviously some reason why they have a faith.

Athiests just need to open their eyes a little bit. They need to relieze that they aren't the ones who have figured it all out, but perhaps it is the other way around. Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

Open our eyes to what? Religion does not make sense. There is no logical reason that I would ever believe in God again. However, I will not try to convince others that God doesn't exist in everyday life. I will let them believe what they want as long as they let me believe what I want. Atheists have not figured it all out. Far from it. Science is still making us better understand our world. Atheists just do not believe in God, essentially.

 

quite honestly I'm not religous at all but don't consider myself atheist, I agree with many morals of many religions but I think just about every religion takes it to far, and that you shouldn't praise a book or stories that counter act each other. If you want to make up stories to proof a point than call it what it is instead of lying about it, that's why I don't respect anyone religion. If someone came to me with a religion where you follow by good morals with good reasoning then I might join, but until I find one I'll stay right where I am, an individual

 

^this. Buddhism is the only religion I "believe" in. I do not practice it , but I do believe that it makes the most sense. (not all of it).

 

Your first two sentences is the ignorance that I am talking about. Just the general idea of a faith, a higher power is what Im talking about. People always jump on the G word. I don't believe in GOD. But open your eyes more. When I say that I mean think of the world and everybody and the universe as a whole. Not about a specific pigheaded person or a religon or a god.

 

I'm a logical person, but yet I'm a Christian. It sounds like an oxymoron to you atheists doesn't it? I don't believe in any other religions, and in fact detest them. Logically any religion that does not claim to have existed at the point of creation or was created by some guy at a random point in time or all the other common inconsistencies cannot be true based on principle. I have gone through the majority of the religions and find Christianity to be the religion with the best chance of being true by far. I also argue that life is an utter waste if we will all simply cease to exist. You argue for the advancement of the human race and I argue the point of that as well, what purpose can humanity's advancement possibly serve is the end result for human life is ceasing to exist. In my opinion most atheists fail to comprehend what cease to exist means. To put it simply it would mean absolutely no consciousness. To put it more simply it means an absence of thinking,soul,form,action, to become nothing. If that is to be my future then life in its entirety is logically worthless. If you honestly don't believe that to be true then I pity you, life is only a memory, a moment as everything you think or do even as you read this is already the past and everything yet to come is the future, only the present is tangible and before you know it, your life will be over. I am always tempted to bring up Pascal's wager in my argument but it does nothing but provoke atheists even more although it is a very logical reasoning. Let me help you out for your response atheists, go to wikipedia, completely ignore everything I said, and take your time to point out that every part of my statement is some sort of fallacy, anything to make you sleep better at night lmao.

 

I have faith in my calculator. I believe that if I enter in something, it will give me the right answer. I do not believe in a higher power. Everything can be explained through natural processes making a higher power not needed.

 

You are acting very selfish then. It seems all you care about is yourself and what you do with your life. It doesn't matter to you what happens to others around you, it's just what you do that matters. That's why you believe once you die, everything you have done for yourself goes away. Hence life is "depressing" to you because of this.

For me, I care about others and the human race as a whole. If I can just make one change in society, whether it be inventing something or improving something I have made a difference. That change will affect future lives in a positive way and knowing that I have contributed in society. My own life won't be depressing at all because I do the things I want to in life, such as doing something to be remembered by. You assume that every atheist is depressed with nothing to live for but clearly, people have different things to strive for.

In the end it seems like you are making up the story for yourself to sleep better at night. Since your whole pessimistic view of life is depressing you follow religion as a faith to learn of a higher being to serve. Once you've created this fantasy that there is an afterlife and that things after death still exist you are happy with it. You use this to rationalize that there is a god and use it against other atheists arguing about the reason of living.

 

Its not like you have to pick one side or another. I happen to agree with both things.

 

I am tempted to flame you. You have no right to call me selfish. Obviously you lack the intelligence to comprehend my post as it said NOTHING about atheists being depressed. Life isn't depressing for me as I am a believer of Christ and I have faith that when I die I'll go to heaven. I was clearly questioning something that would affect atheists but instead of answering or commenting you misunderstood and slander me with the title of selfishness. Your ignorance is laughable if you can't intelligently post find your way out of the sfa forum as the sticky by sythe demands.

Maybe it was a late night for you, this time re-read my post so you can understand whats happening so there won't be a repeat embarrasment.

 

If you were an atheist, with no belief in god or jesus, then from your post your life would be depressing. You state how there's nothing to live for as everything is going to be taken away. From this I can only assume that without god or any other deity then life would be depressing. Hence atheists who have no belief in any deity would have a depressing life.

I didn't completely ignore your post as I responded to what you said about life having no worth. I said myself that there are points to live for and that is what I believe in. I don't need any deity for me to justify the worth of living.

 

Ignorance at its best. "I can only assume" <<<< A.K.A, Your an idiot.

 

Assume was a bad choice of a word then. What if I used the word "infer" instead?

That's the general feeling I get when reading his post. But even if he doesn't assume atheists have depressing lives it still looks like his does, without a deity that is. If this isn't the case, then correct me.

 

And why bother trying to debate politics? Science? History? Just let everyone believe whatever they want to! - No. If we don't establish a dialogue, we won't learn anything from either side. We'd still be cavemen if we followed your line of thought. Needless to say, religious people doesn't have to listen to atheists. If they want to live without knowing of atheism, evolution etc, they can just ignore atheists.

If you're a religious person who wants stop all debate so you can feel safe, sit back, relax and release some endorphins, you've lost my respect.

If you think believing is enough to get into Heaven, then you're retarded. You also have a shitload of rules to follow, one being that you can't even THINK of sex - which is impossible unless you're asexual. And you don't honestly believe God (because we all know that he is the higher power you're speaking of) is so stupid that he would accept people in Heaven who just claims to believe, but doesn't actually follow the religion thoroughly?

Big surprise: what you believe is not a choice. You don't choose to be an atheist, you're convinced that atheism is right. Same concept applies to religion, politics, etc. What you're suggesting is that people shut off their mind, ignore what they've learned and enter a state of denial. You can lie to yourself, but you can't lie to someone or something that is omnipotent and omniscient.

You don't need to believe in God or Jesus to live a happy life. I don't believe there is an afterlife, but that doesn't make me unhappy - quite the contrary, it makes me happy to know that I can be content with my life right now, instead of waiting for inevitable death followed by eternal bliss. It makes me happy to know that nobody is going to spend eternity in Hell being tortured 24/7. Not even someone like Osama bin Laden or Adolf Hitler deserves infinite punishment for a finite crime.

 

I am an atheist and I am very happy. You will NEVER experience death, so why worry about it? When you die, you will be dead and thus you will not experience it. We all have to die eventually, so why worry about it in life?

@Personal Jesus: That last quote isn't mine.

 

That's what happens when I don't pay proper attention. It's removed.

 

I abandoned theism four years ago, and the only change I've noticed in my life is that I don't feel controlled by all the rules. I can think what I want, I can say what I want, and I can do what I want without feeling guilty.

You don't need to believe in a deity to be happy.

 

People like you really piss me off. Your off in your own world completely off topic on an assumption that has nothing to do with my main point. My posts has NOTHING to do with atheists feeling depressed at all. In fact its not even brought up. My last reply reiterated my points and I even told you my argument has nothing to do with depression, I even took the time to repost my original argument and yet your still talking about depression. If you can't read or post intelligently then leave and never come back to the sfa forum again, if Sythe was in the debate you would probably be banned, permanently.

 

It may of limited technology in some respects, however it has also allowed our race to progress with easily identifiable and accessible ethics and morals.

While you may think it laughable, there are people out there who have turned to, and benefited from religion when suffering from 'inner turmoil'.

Of course there have been no technological or species advancing discoveries made in the name of religion, religion is not a research organisation. Do you expect the pope to be sitting in Rome, running mice through mazes all day?