God's Checklist for Christianity

I updated my post, opinions?

 

Fair counterarguments, but the basic points remain valid. Thought I'd point this out:

So is the Old Testament completely invalid in your eyes, or does God just like to change his mind?

 

Yes.. Wow stupid of me. By the way. About the verses you but up. Most of them are referring to man's free will. It says that man has a choice and God LET them do what ever. It doesn't say they should go out side and start killing different people. It is a different interpretation. Then also you have a few quotes from bishops. I am not Catholic so I don't believe what bishops say really is scripture or any thing near that so what they say doesn't affect me.

EDIT: Ozaki: I just saw your post saying about my "ignorant statement so I will address it here. I agree you can have morals but not have a God to worship or believe in God. You may feel bad when you steal some thing or hurt some one but in the end all it really is, is your guilt. If you continue to do those things then your conscious slowly goes away and your feel less and less about sinning. The point I was trying to make with that statement is that if you don't believe in another God then why shouldn't you look out for your self the whole time? If every one did that we would be no where.

 

Thing is, in your eyes, God knows (and knew LONG before it happens), children are being slaughtered, and does nothing to intervene.

What a loving, caring, compassionate, wise, almighty being.

 

So if a bad thing happens you just automatically blame god? Most "bad" things which happen do so because God gives a radical freedom to God's people, we are free people, not puppets on a string. God does not cause "bad" things to happen. God loves us and grieves with us in our pain when "bad things" happen. "Bad" things happen in the freedom that came with the gift of life.

 

But according to your book, he already knows bad things will happen.

Then he punishes humans for HIS "divine plan".

Christians always say "God has a plan for us."

Well, so he predetermines who is going to be tortured for no reason?

 

According to the bible, God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and All Knowing. He knows these things will happen, he planned them, he is there when it's happening, and he has the power to stop it.

Yet he doesn't, so therefore he must be compassionate and loving.

 

It's not completely invalid, there are still points and laws we go by from the Old Testament. God was a more angry God back then, and then Jesus came, and was more kind, as you can see if you read the Bible.

 

Okay, so one day God became extremely kind and loving, and chose to invalidate some of his own teachings. Hmm?

What, did he take an anger management class with Zeus?

 

Yes, he does know bad things will happen. And babies dying is not torture.

 

I find this ironic, because this pretty much disproves the whole basis of your argument... (lol, irony)

 

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

What I said in that statement is - in your god's "divine plan", allow there to be NO proof of anything stated in the "holy book". Only allow stories, that have been changed, altered, and stretched so far beyond what truly happened, it's comprehensible to the modern man.

The stories of Jesus walking on water? Probably waded in a fucking pond, or walked on a frozen river. Criss Angel can perform an illusion of this without cameras, so why can't Jesus?

The stories of Mary giving birth to "God's child" (which remember, is god after all!), is probably just an excuse not to slay a whore in a time of barbaric nature.

The stories of parting the Red Sea? Probably just a metaphor.

The stories of feeding the plentiful with only a loaf of bread and a fish? Probably an exaggeration. I mean, seriously? That's completely impossible, and unfathomably idiotic to believe.

That's all the Bible is, a lot of stories. Just like every other mythological book. See, you, as a Christian, find it hard to believe in stories of Zeus, Aphrodite, Hermes, and other Greek gods, because of the lack of proof, then you are all hypocrites and criticize the masses of Atheists by saying "l0l here's pr00fz!@!", no, god damnit, there is NO proof, only FAITH, which means, there is no fucking God, only your little imagination of a Sky Fairy that grants wishes (rarely, and when it does, it disappoints you, and you stop going to Church for a few days, then something bad happens (out of bad luck) and you get scared by your own delusional imagination, back into your FAITH.))

 

Erm... this was a rational argument until you decided flaming me would make you right...

What I was saying is that you are basing everything you are saying on the bible's readings then after that you claim that they weren't actually written by God anyway (which is true). Therefore what God actually does or says or anything is not stated by the bible, which could quite well be made up.
Soooo... you are trying to use an argument that you disproved yourself.

 

Flaming you? No.
Shining the light on your incompetence? Yes.

The more, and more you post, simply shows the inadequacy in your knowledge. Go read the Bible and come back. I've read over 50 holy books/scriptures, just for arguments as this one. Please, go get some knowledge of the topic at hand, and return once that is complete.

Thanks.

 

So you are invalidating my argument based on the fact that you say you're smart? Doesn't sound like a very valid basis to me.
Where exactly is an area of incompetence in any of my earlier posts? Find one detail that isn't accurate and I will happily review it and rethink my stance on that particular area.

EDIT: I have read the bible by the way.

 

God did not plan them, God is letting the whole world play by it self. Think about, lets say you created a toy, the toy breaks and the toy doesnt want to be fixed. You are god you can chose to do whatever, would you throw it away since the toy i'snt following your orders? Or would you keep trying to fix it until it wants to?

 

This is funny i will say it again.

God is suppose to be omniscient, He has to know how he is gonna intervene to change the course of history using his omnipotence. But that also means he can't change his mind about the intervention which means he is NOT omnipotent.

Then you must ask yourself if god wanted to forgive us for our sins why not just forgive them? Who is god trying to impress he sent a reincarnation of himself Jesus to suffer for our sins and future sins.

 

So basically you're blaming everything bad on us, "free people", but whenever something good happens, you credit God?

You can't just make up arguments to defend your case. Could you tell me where in the Bible it says this? Oh right, it doesn't. Christians seem to be rejecting every point against them, even if it comes with credible evidence, and rebut by saying "oh God has changed since then!" or "He's just kickin' back and letting people be free!". There isn't any evidence to support any of this - in fact there isn't any evidence supporting God's existence either. The Bible is a work of man - a work of fiction.

 

yes this is exactly what it is. People now give god credit for things we are suppose to do everyday i see this often.

'' I thank god for waking me up this morning''

'' I thank god for making sure i get out to work ''

the list grows on it's simple common things you are suppose to do and credit isn't their own.

 

What about in Church, the old saying "God has a plan for us"? So the pastors have been lying to you all?

All knowing: He knows what's going to happen. Christianity says he did plan it.