Need staff input, blackmail/extortion

Hello everyone usually it's me who's making the report on someone specific but this one case is a bit odd so if possible i'd like a global+ to deal with it just to clarify things, but other feedback is also more than welcome although as I say would prefer to keep it to the straight and narrow.

So to keep it as easy as possible i'm going to try not to confuse anyone or bore anyone, but this has taken up quite a bit of my time today trying to go back and forth. So if we could get a full breakdown on this, that would be perfect thank you in advance

As many of you know, I run a service discord and with that comes the fact of needing to deposit in ours like many if not all service discords to hopefully avoid scam attempts. Our friend Saul, or who I would like to class as a friend at least applied to us as shown below but wasn't able to pay a deposit and was sent to us at the given time when he started via another person who we yet again classed as a friend which after today I think is quite clear it's quite the opposite

- Saul applied for a 500M deposit rank, as shown here - ✅[$200 Donor] Buffed Services Are Hiring | Raiders/Capers & More! | Good Benefits | Easy Contracts ✅

As you can see, he mentions he wishes to pay in BTC which I will dive further into and is exactly where the issue remains for now. So we have a 30 day non-compete which has seemed to be fine, that's not an issue.. The issue is the amount that needs to be be returned.

Saul was working for a friend of his (the friend mentioned above) and his friend offered to pay his deposit as he had done plenty of work for him assisting to get his account higher level/max caped or something along those lines. Now I think it goes without saying, I got perm banned on my personal account that typically holds my own GP+deposits, and as such is one of the reasons why we have the 30 day rule along side finding if there are any scams we have to pay out and so on like a regular provider

Said friend has contacted me today reaching out about the deposit, we had this conversation a month or two ago and I explained to him that I was pretty much under the impression that Saul would be communicating with him in order to get everything in motion to step down, and once Saul confirms he is ready to do so I would demote/start the cooldown process. (keeping in mind the other "friend" has tried to now multiple times, get me to pay out the deposit without Saul's agreement/CD handled)

This brings me to today, the same again happened. Contacted me about the deposit, was yet again explained on several (around 8 or so) occasions that I needed to chat with Saul, as Saul was taking a break from RS for a bit but gave us indication he wanted to remain on to an extent. After a bit of time, he said he would "talk to the friend" in question, and sort things out so he can step down, again this was the last time we spoke before today. So whilst I understand the problem on the other guys behalf he also needs to understand mine

- For me, we covered his original deposit for 500M 07 which he asked to cover into BTC, of which he is now saying I have to pay the difference due to the GP going down in price. So now you can see the extortion, and has instead of understanding my point of view and understanding that he in fact paid into a 500M deposit which a lot like BTC is out of our control if it fluctuates, it got covered into the GP that was requested so we was all safe

- I have reason to believe the "friend" has the full ticket transcript (currently speculation) that was on our old ticket system which we have since upgraded and there for cannot access any longer (around a week or so between each date from when he joined>we upgraded) and it has magically gone missing.

- He has today decided to blackmail me (there is the other mention in the thread title) with reports, and also that he would essentially "force" Saul to side with him in the matter, as such also attempting to blackmail him also to get what he wants for whatever reason which I don't find fair either.



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Now again, whilst I cannot get the ticket transcript (i will still assume the other person in question has it) I was sent a few snippets from the other user in question, which is why I find this so weird and have requested it for him to toy/joke around and then claim he doesn't have it going "oh how do you think I have this info?" well one would assume you have it because you have the transcript..



https://i.imgur.com/5ZyqcbM.png

^ had to edit second image in, was broken!

- As you can see here at the given time the amount needed to get the 500M deposit sorted, again this is where the issue comes in. He is stating I owe him $190, when in fact I owe him 500M as per the 30 days end (which started today)



Again - The contract, keeping in mind we was all in a ticket when he applied as the friend wanted to pay for his deposit as he was the one enquiring for him to work for us at the time, and you can see again when it mentions the deposit "yes I have it in btc"

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I will bring up my deposit info here, as you can see yet again 500M, no mention of BTC, so the assumption cant really be "oh I paid BTC I want that amount" when in fact, you paid for a product in the term of GP coverage



now I think it goes without saying these days I am more active on Sythe than other websites, so you can see here in my OSBot one for example - OSBot - OldSchool RuneScape Bot | OSRS Client

This was back in August 2022. "Deposits start at 100M", again no mention of things to do with real life currencies, because in order to process it, it has to be in GP so there is no confusion

To my understanding I didn't declare anyone has to pay in BTC as we prefer GP, and the person in the other end of this even said I "let him off" and allowed him to pay BTC as he didn't want to do GP, so why would that be my issue exactly? I have offered to pay back the deposit regardless of the amount, and the point i'm trying to make is if GP all of a sudden shot up to $3/mill, does that mean that his deposit then becomes less GP? Of course not. he paid 500M there for he would be paid 500M back regardless of if it went up in price as it's his deposit money not mine to play with


So here are the other key parts since I want to just put across as much as I can in order to confirm that I am more than happy to do the right thing

- By the right thing, I can imagine he will also mention the chat we had 20-30 minutes ago about terminations. I explained to him that given the obvious blackmail/threats etc, a service provider would terminate a contract with said worker, being that he is Saul's responsibility (as he covered depo for Saul) the same would apply here, but Saul is a nice guy, and I have nothing but respect for him so I wont and would never do something like that despite the guys actions against my discord and trying to blackmail/extort me



- You can see here, he confirms himself, we said sure if he wishes to pay in BTC (well actually the friend asked, not him as he was covering it) despite being asked for GP, here is Saul confirming also it was for a 500M deposit where the 500M is now owed back after the cooldown period



He asks here where he was meant to be paid back in GP, I mean I think it's a bit obvious why there is the request for that specific currency (not to mention the ranks workers receive are also in M not $)



He says himself, we made an exception for him. Which is true, we took the BTC payment instead and exchanged it for GP after Saul was settled in, as such his deposit was then handled. Again, he says we made an exception for him, which is why he is now trying to blackmail me because we "let him off the once"

Here are some blackmail/extortion extras also








As you can see, it's been quite the headache trying to deal with him for the past 12 hours give or take. On several occasions over the past hour or so I have mentioned a group chat so we can keep updated with everything instead of all talking behind each others backs etc (although I know they would speak privately, obviously)



Saul said this morning he wished to make a group chat so we could resolve it in the appropriate manner, I have shown nothing but interest to do the same. However, I am not just going to cover a payment I don't feel warranted because it was changed for a specific person who we called our friend so he could help another friend join our team and make some money to live off

Again, Saul is an amazing worker. He was nothing but polite and caring, and responsive to everything needed which is what we look for and have nothing but respect for him in that department, the issue is with the other person not Saul and as such I would like as said in the beginning of the post better clarifying of the issue as he feels he is owed more than the 500M deposit we originally agreed to, whilst I have said he was only on a 500M deposit which as a result after the 30 days defeats the purpose of a deposit if they are able to try get more money out of it


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Sorry for such a long post, I didn't notice it was going to be so long, thank you to who ever deals with this as it was an asshole to type up. I have nothing to hide, nothing to gain so i'm just looking for a honest response to where things stand as he was under a 500M deposit and as such in my eyes I owe the 500M after the 30 days

 

there is no Blackmail or extortion . I told you what I wanted as I believe is rightfully fair otherwise I’d make a report and let staff tell us how much is owed. And that would be final.

I’m currently at work and I’ll be making a seperate post when I get home
With UNEDITED pics…. Why’d you leave out the bit that your manager is a scammer and takes advantage of people not well off. Why are your pics all cropped so it looks out of context??? Again when I’m home
I’ll post all pics in full. I’ll even let mods screen share

tldr I paid a deposit for saul for 190$ btc, no gp was transferred, anything buffed did with the btc is out of my hands and I don’t care if he transferred it to gp, that’s his fault. The cost of 190$ btc was agreed to by you. And I paid it.

saul went inactive so I requested a refund of deposit (which no one had an issue with)

dbuffed is now only offering half the original deposit amount due to gp price change over the time period.

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I can provide agreed to terms where nowhere it was stated that refund would be based on current gp prices, I have screenshots of dbuffed saying that deposit would be refunded to original location (my btc account)

He agreed that this was a one time exception for me as we are friends. He also agreed that if gp prices went up he would take the blow as that’s part of business. I believe he has to take the blow now because it’s the original amount that was paid. 190$ in btc. If I paid 500m gp I’d expect 500m gp. If he goes based on current gp price, why was Saul never given the 1b rank?

I also told buffed I’d be willing to wait the 30 days, I just want to get paid back the ORIGINAL amount paid.


Edit: buffed really rushed this report out as soon as I mentioned I’d be making a report but I was currently at work. Dodgy.

I told him that if sythe mods agree that 500m is owed then it is what it is, however I want a fair review.

 

Thanks for replying Ben,

So although I am going for a shower in a few as I have to be up early, I am going to quickly disect what you said

- False. I have offered the same put in, which was 500M regardless of how it was paid, it was ending at 500M which is exactly why we are here today

Correct, you are not wrong. And as shown, by saul himself it was for a 500M deposit of which was then fixed to have the appropriate amount of GP to cover his deposit, as such he was able to receive the full 500 back

Not quite correct. It would as I explained above, make no sense for me to pay out something above what was owed, if I give you 100M insurance I would generally expect the 100M back, regardless of the payment method chosen as I have paid the 100M and as such 100M is owed

Deposits are returned unless people are terminated, I have said this all long.. So unless you somehow have the ticket transcript which I have requested (due to us no longer having it as explained in the opening post) there is no disputing the fact he is getting his deposit back, as I have said he would be regardless of your action(s)

Thank you for pointing this out, but again you yet again failed to mention that the original payment was for a specific amount of GP deposit of which you didn't have/didn't want to pay, so you asked for BTC instead and as you said we was "friends" so I did a one time exception (your words, as shown above also)

I have stated all along, I am not interested in having a pissing war. And despite the fact you trying to make it sound like i'm trying to not pay the deposit back countless times I have said all along I will be returning it on the agreed amount, so unless you try to twist my words which I will show furthe context to if you do try then there is no if but or maybe about it really

You paid for 500M (the deposit amount YOU both requested, not us, YOU chose it as shown above) and was given the appropriate amount for the payment method again you chose despite us saying otherwise

- If you do in fact as I said before have ticket logs as I still feel like you do and you are trying to hide it (considering you have presented multiple snippets of our tickets) then I would like you to forward to a mod so they can send to me so I can review it myself as part of our evidence thank you


- Have a good night

Edit - I just noticed I didn't include it, here it is you confirming the exception again

 

I would like to note again for the record since he seems to not understand,

I am still happy to pay the deposit after the cooldown peroid is done with. I have not once mentioned otherwise, what he doesn't get is he paid into it via a method that wasn't the one we had originally chosen so there for we had to go out of our way to make sure it's settled, he covered the 500M there is no disputing that and as said already I am happy to return the deposit regardless of how much it is worth or not worth

 

Correct one time exception made for me to pay in btc, so you should pay me back in full for btc.

 

I also have stated I’m happy waiting the 30 days for a refund, but I won’t be accepting half the cost via a different currencies rates.

I paid BTC. BTC Stays roughly the same VALUE. We agreed on Btc as payment to give him a role as a worker, we didn’t agree on you converting the btc to gp afterwards (which again makes 0 sense as it was rapidly declining at the time)

ps. I don’t have the transcripts, I do have screenshots of what my friend agreed to which was you saying btc of 190$ will be fine for him to get a rank in your server

 

Since you edited your stuff again, I guess more question and answer time quickly

As I explained to you on discord a few times, we do not control the market pricing for GP or BTC, we cannot control if they go up or down. Your mention of him not being given a 1B rank, you paid for a 500M rank, not a 1B rank so that would defeat the purpose, and would essentially have me covering 500M over what his deposit was for no reason

That's not the first edit you did, and nothing is dodgy about it at all. I am allowed to cover my own bases as I told you (again multiple times.... ergh) so I can find a healthy virdict to the issue as you don't seem to want to understand the other side of the problem

 

You are more than welcome to agree to things or disagree to them, that's part of human nature. However, I think the facts are there showing that you covered a 500M deposit of which you both asked for it to be done in bitcoin, of which you have said yourself I made a one time exception because of our now ex-friendship, if this wasn't the case you would of been told GP like anyone else to avoid these sorts of things.. But then again I don't know, you would probably complain about that too with what I have witnessed so far

 

Im just honest and want you to be fair if I paid in gp, sure, I’d expect 500m gp regardless of going rate in btc.

I paid btc I should get returned btc regardless of going rate in gp

staff correct me if I’m wrong, original payment method and amount should be refunded to the person who made the deposit (me)

 

I am being both honest and fair, and have stuck to my contract 100% regardless of your issue(s) you caused

It isn't Sauls problem so there for I wont take it out on him as that isn't fair, and as shown you are only going to blackmail him anyway and that isn't a friendship. Either way, i'll let the staff member read this over, no point spamming the thread like you have done many times today on discord to me


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You're still picking at straws btw, since I sort of went over the bit about the rate stuff i'll reply to that too quickly. You was told the deposits (500M + 1B) you asked for a 500M deposit, asked us to wave the rule of GP for you, as you wanted to sort via BTC, so that would mean we're still at the same spot originally > you wanted 500M, you got 500M, now you're complaining about 500M and want more

 

go have your shower. Atleast I don’t allow my managers to scam my friends and keep 20% after “paying back.” And keep them as a manager.

He knows if he ever needs money I have his back as I have done many times before. You’re literally acting like a dodgy car salesman

 

Literally about to get in now buddy. As for the comment about my "manager(s)", I wasn't part of it as it was a trade between the two of them, and it was paid as I made sure it was handled. They seemingly missed each other due to time zone differences, some information was mixed up, and he was paid what he was owed when they both got on at the same time, at least that's what I witnessed as I had the whole breakdown of what was owed vs not owed in a group chat. Good try though

 

Are you refunding me btc or gp? I don’t want your GP. I want the original btc deposit paid back. GP is a seperate currency that I steered clear of. Im sorry you didn’t cover 1 time exceptions in your TOS.

You agreed in this post and in dms that the full amount gets refunded. And you’ve also agreed it gets refunded to original location (my wallet)

Again, I’ll be home in roughly 8 hours to post unedited screenshots and agreed terms.

 

As I said to you before, i'm happy to refund you the deposit into either of your requests, I am not that horrible that I would make you pick up GP if as you said you don't play the game anymore. I'll wait on staffs input either way, as I have said all that needs to be said instead of you trying to twist things or make out people are scamming each other

 

Sorry staff for lots of edits, currently busy at work and editing when I get the small gaps in my routine haha

 

the only one potentially scamming here is you. I paid $190 in btc to get Saul the “500m+” role so that he could make a living doing what he’s good at. Explain to me how that’s taking advantage of
Him?
If you’re so happy to refund me then refund me the total amount that was paid. I’m not asking for any more or any less. What you did with the payment after it was transferred to you is beyond me. I don’t care if you transferred it to gp. The value of $190 was linked to the role. Anyone with 2 brain cells would keep the funds as btc. No risks of ban, value doesn’t drop as much as gp, all over a better option.
As I’ve said time and time again in this post I don’t have an issue with waiting the 30 days. It’s the amount that is owed to me.

Why should I only get paid back 50%~ of my deposit because he decided to swap it for another currency which was on the decline?

for reference he only wants to pay $100 in btc which puts me at $90 loss. But I bet if I paid in 500m gp he’d have 0 issue paying back in 500m gp, because he’d be at a profit on my deposit.

 

Not sure how well this is going to upload, but these are some Pics I’ve got on my Phone (red star just was so I know which ones to click/upload)

 

Literally just read the top of what you quoted me and laughed,

No Ben no one is "potentially scamming" you, stop being a crackhead. You paid in for a product to be deposited in this case 500m 07 gp, that was handled, and it's still there regardless of how you feel ready after the cooldpwn period, now there is no need to reply further as it just gives staff more work to read

Will be around later

 

let me know when you learn how refunds work. You made a one time exception for us to pay in btc. You owe me btc. The full amount.

The $190 was never yours to swap to gp, it was to cover any scam that may have occurred by Saul during the time he worked for you. until then the money was and always was MINE.

Again, it’s not my fault you’re stupid enough to swap it to gp and then get banned.

You’re story is all over the place. You literally said in one of your posts you have no problem paying the deposit no matter the amount? What are you reporting me for then, you ass. Pay me my $190 deposit I sent you.

I agree let’s let mods decide what you owe me, either way you owe me money

 

My account ban has nothing to do with your deposit request lol. That was done what... a year ago? My ban was to do with my group ironman store and is nothing to do with this report, so I would suggest hopping off the high horse and stop trying to sling irrelevant comments a lot like you trying to claim saul was also scammed which is false and was confirmed by him

You are correct though, again as I did mention you would try twist my words. We made a one time exception for you to pay via another method to get it covered, it was then after covered in the correct method needed to be processed into


I really do hate typing on mobile, but this should show you the type of person Ben is for anyone who wishes to read, extremely manipulative and a compulsive emotional abuser in terms of blackmail/extorting people to gain his own