Do not ban for past actions...

Offshoot of my old thread, here: Do not ban for offsite activities... (For reference. Made a new thread since the old one got too confusing.)

I feel that people should not be banned for things that they did before they came to Sythe. An example of this is a user being banned for admitting to phishing years ago, before he was a member of Sythe.

I'd like some input on this issue, so here are some questions to consider:

• Should people be banned for things that they did before they came to Sythe?
• Does what specific thing they did before matter? (Scamming = ban but hacking doesn't)
• What purpose does a ban serve? How does it help the community?
• Should Sythe be punishing people for what they did before they agreed to the Sythe.org rules?

 

Should people be banned for things that they did before they came to Sythe?

No, they were not a part of the community then and were not bound by any rules. What they did is their business.
Does what specific thing they did before matter? (Scamming = ban but hacking doesn't)

No, it's the past.
What purpose does a ban serve? How does it help the community?

If they are still a true scammer, they will just evade the ban.

Should Sythe be punishing people for what they did before they agreed to the Sythe.org rules?

See#1

 

There is also no way to prove that they WILL unless there are reports against them.

 

If they have a botnet, then banning them will just hurt Sythe. As long as the are a good member of our community they should be allowed to stay. Banning them benefits no one, as you are not protecting the community at all by doing it. Rather, you are hurting it. Banning people makes them mad and aggressive, and doing that to someone with a botnet is inviting trouble. As long as they stick to our rules once they are here, why shouldn't they be allowed to stay?

 

It's the same as scamming.

If a user has done something against Sythe rules before they made their Sythe account, then they should not be punished. However, if they make a Sythe account, and are then found in violation of the rules elsewhere (in violation of rules like scamming, botnets, etc), while their Sythe account is active, then they should receive the same punishment here as if they had used it on this site.

 

FASJDHASIUDHASKdjhn. Your bringing in the other major issue here. I made another thread so that the present and past issues could be get apart since the old thread got confusing as shit. >_>.

 

I don't see how I strayed from the topic? . I'm saying they shouldn't be punished for things they did before Sythe, plain and simple, but should be if they have a Sythe account .

 

Right, but in the last thread we were talking about both past and present and it got confusing since people didn't know which one people were talking about at a point. So I made a new thread to focus on past, and I'l make one on present at some point. One step at a time!

 

Gotcha.

Agreed, actions before Sythe should not be punished.

 

First of all your title is misleading. You say don't ban for past actions so I presumed they were actions done on sythe. But i guess not.

Onto your question. No people should not be banned for things that they did before they came to Sythe. A prime example? Finn. He was known scammer in rs, but as you can see, it has no impact on him today on Sythe.

 

Scamming in the past is a tricky thing to decide over. It depends on what the scam was / where it was / and how long ago it was.

e.g If someone went and scammed a Rune Scimitar a year ago on runescape, they can't really be classed as a scammer. But if someone had scammed real life money on a forum just like Sythe, it's alot different because it is real life money in a scenario like this website.

Anyway, i support 'Do not bad for past actions' people DO change, they could of scammed in the past because they were suffering a bad time in real life.

I believe people should only be banned on Sythe.org for present scams, not past.

(hope i didn't go offtopic)

 

Scamming on another site yes. Scamming in rs 3 years ago no way.

 

Thought this link will be helpful. It was a suggestion I made in early 2009. Please pardon me if it is no way useful.

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=542670

 

I think magic arrow had the right idea in this thread

 

Considering they can DDoS Sythe.org whether or not they are a member, there is absolutely no point in banning them, especially if they did it before they joined Sythe.org. Obviously, if they still kept doing it after they joined here, then by all means ban them.

Secondly, I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but at the same time, most of the rules are common sense, it's not like they are too far out there were people wouldn't think about it.

Ex.

example.com has a rule against owning pink ponies.
User A used to own a pink pony, but doesn't anymore, and then joined the site

The fact is, no one is going to expect that be a rule; therefore, how could they have possibly known or avoided owning a pink pony. On the other hand, people know scamming is bad/wrong, they don't have to be told it's a rule; therefore, I disagree to some degree with your point.

Do I think they should be banned for scamming someone a membership PIN 4 years ago? No. Do I think they should be banned for scamming someone last week, then joining Sythe.org today? Yes. People are simply going to use this as a cover/excuse to get out of being banned if they scammed people, then joined Sythe afterward.

I have to say I disagree.

 

People change. Fuck what people say "Once a scammer, always a scammer". if they scammed or whatever years ago, before being a member of Sythe, they should not be banned. When they scammed, they could of been an immature little twat, but now after a few years, they grown up a bit, and realised its stupid. I bet some people here used to scam or something. A long time ago, and just wont say because of this rule. "OmFg RoFlCoPtEr. i sCaMmEd a bRonZe dAgGeR oFf SoMe LevEl 3!!111!!!11" Would someone like that, be a threat to Sythe?

Some of the more severe past scammers, hackers, w.e should be banned though. If someone, 6 months ago, phished like, 50 paypal accounts and stole over 2 grand, then yeah. Fuck them.

So I agree to some extent, but not fully.

 

Its not really misleading. Past implies past. But what ever. And I put a lot more questions that just that, but what ever.

So you think that they shouldn't be banned for anything they did before they joined Sythe?

Is it just scamming or does phishing or hacking apply too? Answer my questions. It will help formulate your thoughts.

That seems to be a solution for present actions offsite, not past ones. I do support it for things that happen right now so I think you should repost it.

See above. ^

Why would they use it as an excuse? It could be a new rule, which would make it so that they wouldn't need an excuse. I sort of agree with the scamming in the last week thing, but I think you have to just accept some losses to make the system better as a whole. Making a time thing... Say if you did something X number of months before Sythe, then it is treated as a present action... The amount of time to choose becomes an issue as people can change very rapidly, or very slowly. Someone could scam one day and then the next day feel bad about it. They could then come to Sythe to trade legitly as they can't go back to what ever other site they were on.

Plus, it is very unlikely that someone who just joined will have a background check done on them enough that they will find that they scammed the last week. It could take until they have become a staff member or something before it is found at and if you put a time exception, like I said above, the staff would have to listen and ban the person even though the have proved themselves trustworthy. Plus, most leechers who are scammers will scam quickly and get banned anyways, so making a blanket rule without a time exception really can not hurt.

See above. ^. Basically same thing. But, about your extreme scammer. A person like that would be very unlikely to change anyways and would most likely be banned on sythe for scamming anyways.

 

Yes, if they phished paypal accounts. But if someone said they phished Runescape accounts, no, they shouldn't be banned. We are a cheating community, A TON of people here do it, so what? What they do off site is their business. I know plenty of phishers that are mature people and do not bring phishing to this site, yet they can still be banned for it.

Just because they do/have phished Runescape accounts should not warrant a ban.

 

So you want to be very specific about what does and does not warrant a ban? That makes it very hard and confusing. Just because a ton of people do it, its okay? That doesn't make sense.