What is involved with a Scammer's Characteristics ?

I was curious about a few things when coming down to the core of a scammer's character.

1. Does deceitful actions give us a inside look on a person's character? Of course, but does it help conclude that the specified person is bound to scam?

I believe so. Everyone has their own agenda's in everything they do, anything a human does it fueled by an agenda. When lying to another person, or being deceitful is to gain something or make the other person believe something that is NOT true.

So, let me start to get to the point of this thread. Very recently I was doing a RS gp trade with another seemingly trustworthy member of the sythe community wich in-fact is hard to come by as we all know. As I was doing this transaction/transfer the seller asked around about my methods, as anyone would to insure that their trade was infact safe. The person that he asked is a VERY trusted person on Sythe concluding over 50+ vouches and thousands traded, and thousands trusted weekly. This person was deceitful to him, claiming I was a scammer!
Now before I go any further, this thread is not about reporting, or "snitching" on this person it is to get a community response on a typical scammer's character traits. I would also like to know what I should do in this situation.
This person that was deceitful in my eyes had his own agenda for the GP, he offered my seller a low price of .6, while I was offering 1-1.25/M. Would he be deceitful to get the trade? In all my years of schooling I've learned that's not a true business virtue. You do not lie, or manipulate the truth or what you know about to get a deal, you are competitive with the other person to get that deal.

Now, my question is, when someone lies upon another person when they have had no relations with this person other than a possible GP sale, is this a character trait of a possible scammer? Or am I just someone who doesn't know how the human mind works?

 

buisness, is buisness. deciet and buisness are like peanut butter and jelly, or tom and jerry. in the real world, buisness men and women alike will do anything to make sure they avail on top, it is no different here, unfortunately.

 

People are not good or bad, the deeds they do make them good or bad. Scammers are not evil, or have characteristics. They don't know of any ways to make money or for some reason, can not make money. Therefore, they choose to follow the path of deception and lies. Money is the root of all evil.

 

^ not always true, some people are evil just to torture people. like serial killers and rapists for example.

 

If you ever looked at statistics, most serial killers and rapist have been physically or sexually abused in their childhood. At that tender age, not only do they form a negative view about their abuser, but also about the whole world. They're in no shape to prevent the abuse so they wait and wait and the hatred keeps growing. Once they're able to take it out on someone, they see no difference between justified and unjustified violence due to their psychological state.

 

Please get to the core of a discussion. A "scammer" has certain traits that most do not show when doing " legitimate " transactions.

So, deceit when doing trades/transactions on Sythe prooves the possibly of a scam?

 

I fail to see your point. How do you know it's a deceitful transaction if you never made the transaction? If you made the transaction and it was deceitful then it was a scam. There's no "proof of possible scam". It is mere a scam or legitimate. There's nothing in between. Which means everyone will have different perspective of same person depending on how they look at that person. You might come to a conclusion that xxx is a scammer based on your perspective of things, and I might think he is a legit seller based on my perspective.

 

Ok, let me tell the full story?

PrecautionaryWarning added me a few days ago to buy mils. I didn't sell to him, because firstly I was busy, and secondly he sounded very impatient. So he placed his order else where. Later on he asked me if I buy gold for $0.6/M, he said he had 146M. As I said on my gold buying thread, I only buy if you have 200m+. So I declined.

A few hours later, a guy added me and had the following convo with me.





According to this guy, PrecautionaryWarning was buying 145M from him for $175.

The thread: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=912166

The guy was a leecher who trusted him and went first, he got worried because PrecautionaryWarning wouldn't respond on MSN as he was supposed to have gone to store, but the account was logged in.

Also PrecautionaryWarning asked for his recoveries, and wouldn't let the guy log in to check progress.

Obviously I would think the kid was scammed.

So we thought we could try to help him get his account back by pretending that I changed my mind, and wanted to buy his gold.

So I messaged PrecautionaryWarning, his is what he said.


The guy had been informed our convo the whole time. I was NEVER interested in his GP.

 

You can't profile someone with one example, or one trait. If you do, the profile will be way off.. As for the whole "lieing" thing. Everyone lies, and I don't care who you are. You've lied. He stole your business, so what. From that, all you can assume is that he's greedy; not that he's a scammer.

You're just someone who doesn't know how the human mind works.

 

I'm wondering how I lied and what makes me a possible scammer? Post away.

 

I would have done exactly the same thing as king tijn in that situation.
Nobody needs your recovs to transfer gold. Obviously the guy was scammed and what king tijn did was the right thing.

 

Scammers often rely on the principle of something being too good to be true. It is much easier for us as humans to accept what is better than we expect because with the offering of better comes the instantaneous want (perceived as need) of the bartered item/items. When it comes down to it, its just a matter of taking things slowly. How many times have you all, when it comes to dealing with scammers, been told that "Lets do this quickly, I have to leave soon." or "Sorry, I have to go really quickly but I will be back later." It is that sense of urgency that leads to successful scams. Just take things slow.

 

In this trade, the account was being sold as well as the gold. The gold was first in-line. To insure I was not scammed out of the full payment of 175$ including the account, I requested the recoveries before I sent the payment of 175$ USD halfway through the gold transfer, he agreed and the trade went forth.

Also you're still making false accusations, I responded everytime I was messaged w/progress reports. I did allow him to log onto his account, but I asked him to not do so. Logging onto an account during a transfer reveals the transfer method along w/items included. I did not change the password or any details within the account. During my run to the store the account was logged in, into the lobby of runescape, seemingly AFK.

Upfront customer service does not conclude a scammer, but lying / deceit claiming someone is scamming.. is infact a characteristic of a scammer.

Jon and I have settled the small dispute that was fueled by a panic apposed by you Tijn, I compensated for what I transfered, minus the junk I was left with during a intricate 3-way transfer. I have proof of every transaction I've done, and proof of the payment sent along with the dispute being settled witnessed by the most trusted person on Sythe, R2Pleasent.

I have told my method to R2Pleasent also, including the items involved. Verified.

 

Anything on the account after I was on it has nothing to do with me/ does not effect me.

There is the proof that the transaction is complete. There are no ifs ors ands or buts.

Let's get back on topic, anything off-topic will be reported for SPAM.

 

the funny thing is u offerd to sell him, 3.6m and mostly junk a total of 145m. when i got my account unlocked which i dontk now why it wass locked in the first place there was exactly 3.6m cash and the rest junk. im not saying that u were trying to get rid of what u were buying off me before u even got it but it does sound suspicous and 5 dollars to me doesnt equal the 15m u transferd but w.e

im not a fan of drama thats why iv been quiet but when something comes up like that, what are the odds ur other character has exactly 145m total with 3.6m cash and rest junk like mine did when i logged on after the lock down

ps. iv never seen a rsgp buyer have to know the recovery questions.

 

precationarywarning scammed me full bandos sara sword and 18m cash, not to be trusted.

 

Hes A Fkn Scammer!!! No One Trust Precautionarywarning

 

I've chatted with PrecautionaryWarning before, he was not very respectful towards me in anyway. He spammed my chat and called me a "Chink" at the end which is racist, and has either blocked me or signed offline, in my opinion, I would not trust PrecautionaryWarning, because he shows no respect at all to me. Also, if you report me for Spam, you should think twice before reporting me, as you spammed my Chat.

Here's a picture of the chat.



As you can all see, I have not shown any disrespect to PrecautionaryWarning and I have asked him to stop messaging me about anything related to botting and he spams my chat with "Bot" multiple times and "Please, bot me sir." once.

-LeetNeo.

 

Lol, he spammed you. Only thing this shows is poor social skills, lack of manners, and just being plain rude.
He doesn't need to respect you, I don't respect you. I respect very FEW people on this site and the real world alike. I mean respect the person too, not the position they hold.

Edit: Learn to crop pictures >.>