Do not permanent ban scammers.

It really isn't hard to get around an IP ban...

OT: People can change...

 

No support. Scammers all have the same intentions. To take money from a legit trader and leave them with nothing.

Selfishness and greed are the character traits of a scammer. We don't need them here.

 

I do not support it at all...plznates was for self vouching not near scamming.

 

People can change. Some do. Some don't. Those who do can be amazing contributers to the community and they deserve a second chance.

That has nothing to do with this at all.

 

lol?

This is just like legalizing theft.

 

Since you seem to be going with a real world analogy... Theft does not land you in jail for life, so no. Its nothing like legalizing theft.

 

Legalizing implies that there will not be a punishment. Believe me when I say that scammers will STILL be punished, but the degree of their punishments will vary.

 

You scammed me last week for a pin kid stfu.

 

Not a good idea. Sythe is just like an apartment. We let people live here, but once we catch them stealing we kick their stealing ass out.

Want a fairer punishment? Don't fucking scam in the first place.

 

I agree with this idea, except they would have to pay the person back the scammed amount before they'd be given a second chance (if you already stated this, then ignore).

Otherwise people can simply scam something small, if they don't even get caught, they'll do it until they do get caught. Then once they're caught, they'll simply claim it was their first time, and get a free pass on it.

 

Wrong, some people change...

I know few examples of people changing for the better after scamming.

 

Bad analogy. Sythe is a community. Communities don't throw out people for life if they steal.

You obviously didn't read the thread. The person would NO LONGER BE ABLE TO TRADE ON THE ACCOUNT. There would be measures put into place that would basically make trading via Sythe impossible. Paying people back wouldn't work because people disappear quite often, but doing so would make a better case for them to come back.

Right, which is why it shouldn't be a perm ban.

 

No support. There is no sense in allowing scammers to come back on the site and re-offend. Although a TWC and a Market ban may be more appropriate.

 

Um. You are suggesting we let them back with less protection that what we are saying. Read the thread before you post.

 

Bump. Do any mods have an opinion?

 

Stealing is stealing, whether it was $5, $100 or $1000, the intent is still the same. If a person stole $5, I'm almost certain that they would jump at the opportunity to steal $1000. Yes I believe that they deserve a second chance, but how? I think that they should be temp banned from the Sythe community until the sythe admin sees fit.

 

What does not scamming in the first place have to do with a 'fairer punishment'? That made no sense.

And the apartment analogy... well, SuF destroyed that, so I won't bother.

That is a good point chip (the second part), but if they don't get caught, and that never comes up... we're not all the wiser. It'd be the way it is now, except once they do get caught, punishments would be slightly different.

Paying the person back is a good thing, will it happen? Not necessarily, but I really don't think it has to for them to make retribution. Let's say I have 50 vouches on my Sythe account, all of them legit. I've been a member for 4 months. I have 500 posts, and no infractions. I get greedy one time, and scam a guy out of $50. I get caught, and banned.

My punishment is determined that 6 months ban, and never being allowed to trade again until I pay back what I stole, and even then I'd have a twc and be a known scammer so people would be extra cautious around me. I'd still receive a 6 month ban, however, but paying back the person will be a reasonable thought in my head after I get unbanned.

All of that more than makes up for the $50 I stole, think about the work I put into my account, honestly, I'd feel compelled to pay the person back in that circumstance just so I could continue doing business. And if I don't pay the person back, I'll have dealt with a 6 month temp, and not being allowed to trade at all.

Sounds more than fair. Granted, that scenario isn't what will happen in each case, but it's a pretty good example.

Right now, when scammers are permanent banned, they have no desire to pay the person back because they don't think they'll get their account back. However, if they know they'll get their account back, they'll just be badly labeled and no one will ever trust them, then the incentive to pay back the person they scammed will be something they consider.

You just suggested practically everything we did. And you probably didn't read the thread as there's a lot of reasoning in allowing a scammer to come back to the site. We're not allowing them to re-offend, we're preventing that. We're just determining what an appropriate punishment may be.

That's basically what is being discussed. Scamming punishments should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, and not just be a permanent ban for each one.

And honestly, while the bigger haul does pose a greater desire, it also poses a greater risk. People innately think scammers are idiots, when in reality, they're just greedy. But they also know that there's a limit.

 

What if they're caught scamming they get a 1 year ban and if they vade that ban it becomes permanent?

Seems reasonable.

 

I didn't say it becomes a permanent ban if they vade, but the case should be considered. I don't think ban evading should be a permanent ban either. That's a different suggestion, however.

The only things that should be a permanent ban are things the physically harm the server or its data.

 

if ban evading isnt prem ban then whats the point of them keeping their original account? they could just make a new account and be on their way to scamming again. It takes time to find ban evaders (by the looks of it even years ie:Video) although i dont no why video was banned the first time he seemed like a really nice person. Getting a little off track there anyway, ban evasion should be kept as a Prem ban but Scamming could be reduced to say 2-3year ban. Yes this is not ideal but neither is getting scammed.