Do not ban for offsite activities...

So, if you owned Sythe, and someone from powerbot joined here who has scammed over $300 on powerbot, you wouldn't ban him/her...?

 

So you are comfortable letting a known scammer (off another site or not) continue to do business on sythe?

See above post ^

 

Well, would obviously depend on the severity of what the person done. I wouldn't let someone who scammed last week on any forum I owned. But wouldn't mind if it it was like, 2 years ago

 

That's where it becomes hard to decide though, how are you suppose to know if they have changed?

 

no, cause maybe they have changed and have come to sythe because their rep on powerbot is already ruined.

 

Happened with Lukef, I think. He was banned for asking how to spread keyloggers, right? That ban was very unfair, I think. As you say, it makes no sense banning a user who has interests in hacking... you don't need an account to hack Sythe.org, and you won't go PMing people asking if they want to learn how to hack a site. Self-vouching has a 3-month ban and asking for computer hacking has a permanent ban? Very unfair, I think that if the self-vouching occurred in an other account, not as trusted, he'd be probably permanent banned. So I think staff acted quite unproffessionally in this case... Anyways, I partialy support this; I think if a user was found scamming in, for example, PowerBot, and then his IP matches with a Sythe account, this should be banned.

 

So, do you think that the only offsite offence they should be banned for is recent scamming offsite?

So, they should be banned or they shouldn't? Paying back would be a way to get unbanned it seems.

What if the actions offsite have nothing to do with trading? Like hacking? What would a TWC serve then?

So do you think that only scammers should be banned if scamming happens offsite?

So time is a factor? How long ago should an offense have to be for Sythe to not ban them? Meaning, how long does it take someone to change their ways?

 

LukeF's case is much different, he purchased a keylogger and then asked the best way to spread them, asking about binders ect..
This is showing obvious malicious use for the product which is where a ban is definitely warranted.

IMO the only time i think a ban is not warranted is where they only show interest in how they work, not purchase one and then ask how to spread it..

 

You don't, however remember that when they join Sythe will not know that they are a scammer. If it is found out later that they are a scammer but haven't done anything wrong on Sythe should they be banned?

Good point.

So, offsite activities except for scamming shouldn't result in a Sythe ban because most of the rest of the dangerous activities don't even require an account?

 

As i've said before it depends on how the situation unfolded. If they asked out of general curiousity in trying to protect themselves then no. If they asked with obvious malicious intent to harm the site in anyway then yes. Obviously all being at the desecration of the mods

I never stated that i only feel scammers should be

 

Scamming, keyloggers, DDoSing, and hacking are bannable when done off-site..
Trading pins, *******s, or other such activities are not.

I like it the way it is.

 

You are really complicating matters. Saying that they should be banned for this but not this and only if they do this or this but not this, just makes everything confusing. The goal is to have a clear, concise, detailed rule that specifically says if you can be banned for offsite things, and if so what rules it applies to, etc.

 

yes, it's impossible to tell if they have changed or not. Not worth the risk

 

So basically, you want the mods to have complete say in who gets banned and allow them to pick and choose and make decisions about it? Thats basically the way it is now.

But its not applied equally or well at all.

 

If your looking for a clear rule with no exceptions, imo all off-site activity's where your involved with phishing, keyloggers, scamming ect.. should warrent a permanent ban

 

Finn's scammed before he came to Sythe. Now he is one of the best admins the site has had. Was that worth the risk?

 

It would be impossible to make a rule with all of the exceptions and variables that could occur.

 

I don't support this; generally most people who are going to scam on other forums will scam here, if there is proof of these activities yeah that person should be banned from Sythe too.

 

In this case it turned out to be, but can that be said for every member who has scammed in the past? That's an invalid point unless you want to trust all scammers.

 

Well no, scamming just as an example. Hacking, phishing ect too.