Gfx

You get paid for it, therefore there was some exchange of trust as someone had to go first, and thus warrants a vouch.

I wouldn't really call giving the buying a watermarked product 'going first'. If the buyer was to run off, and take the piece of GFX, it would be watermarked which could carry some message like "This piece of GFX was made by ____ The user of it has not yet paid. If you see this being used, please report it to the staff of the forums".

Graphics aren't real items? There are entire corporations who operate off creating real graphics for real customers. Do you not understand the concept of printing? I realize it doesn't apply here but it doesn't allow you to be ignorant of this concept. Most graphic jobs are of equal or substantially more value to a Runescape pin. You can't say that just because something doesn't have a set value it can't warrant a vouch. In fact, something that doesn't have a set value should have a vouch just because it would allow said transaction to have more of a set value, get my drift? If someone scribbled something in MS Paint and sold it (which is really unlikely) and obtained a vouch for it, that vouch would be worth next to nothing. Similarly, I feel like vouches for pins are worth next to nothing. Four dollar vouch, whoop de fucking do. No matter what the vouch is for, when you're evaluating someone's vouches you should be checking out what they were for so you can size up what the vouches say about the user's reputation and trustworthiness.

I understand that there are companies which deal with graphics, but what I meant is that most Sythe users aren't involved with companies, and as all graphics are different, that graphic would still be virtual (unless the buyer prints it, which I doubt they would) Membership pins, whether it be in a shop or online, are each the same and each have the same value, meaning that if one is considered a "real" item then all of them should. I'm not saying that having a pin for a membership pin is a big deal of trust, but people know what a pin is worth and can relate to its value. They can decide for themselves if they want to see it as adding to that person's trustworthiness. I understand that just because it doesn't have a set value does not mean it does not warrant a vouch, and that many other items which do not have set values (such as accounts), but it is very hard for the someone not involved in the trade to see how good the graphic was, or to evaluate the vouch, while for Runescape the vouch usually includes what it is and its combat level. If the piece of GFX itself was included in the signature then I guess I would agree with it.

If vouches don't mean anything, why not allow vouches for GFX?
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But if they meant nothing, why would you want to allow them?

Just because a trade is risk free means that vouches shouldn't be warranted? Firstly, that isn't true. Plenty can go wrong during a GFX trade. Secondly, using a decent MM with ANY trade essentially guarantees that the trade will go through safely (initially, at least).

I'm rather ignorant on GFX trades, but if the seller watermarks the product what can go wrong? As long as they don't send the .psd file, it shouldn't be a problem. Using an MM would guarantee the safety of the trade, but then doesn't the MM get the vouch?

Using arbitrary arguments doesn't support your side too well either.
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I'm not really against it, I just don't see the point of it and therefore don't support it.

 

Don't comment on a topic if you're ignorant towards it and can't see the point of it.

Posting ignorant, unintellectual replies is just as bad as spam in this forum, where if you don't support something, you say so and state solid reasoning behind it.

EDIT: Also, saying that most Runescape vouches have some sort of "combat level or other value reference in it" is just plain wrong. There are absolute loads of vouches that reflect zero information about the trade or the value of the transaction. As for including the image of the GFX in each vouch, that is actually easily done for those serious enough about their graphics to also want vouches for them.

Your argument of what is "real" and what is not just isn't valid in this case. Set value does not equal "real". Just because it is harder to determine the value of a GFX job and the vouch for it doesn't mean it isn't valid.

Just because a trade is 100% safe doesn't mean you don't get a vouch for it, as previously stated. Otherwise MM's wouldn't require vouches as they don't necessarily have to risk anything MMing a trade.

Overall, I'm trying to express how annoyed I am that you're so adamant arguing against something that you don't see the point of and that you are ignorant to.

 

bumpp

 

Vouches are not entirely given just for trusting someone. A 'vouch' is given for someone who did/said what they would.

Also...
People still receive vouches from the other trader when a Middle Man helped them through the trade? That is allowed? There is no trust needed, but they still vouch for each other?

I support this suggestion, people are trading their work for money and it should be worthy of a 'vouch' if the other trader is satisfied.

 

I agree. After all, it's a service for someone to make signatures/avatars for others. I also agree with your suggestion. People involved in a trade that is MiddleManned should NOT vouch for each other.

 

Thanks everyone for you're feedback/support. Hopefully this will get passed