Kluch/ sportsisland

Scammer's profile link:Kluch
Amount scammed: wouldnt call it a scam, just them not owning up to there mistake, amount = 223$
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: Screenshot - 128b293aaaf12c374c758c76b4d71ec5 - Gyazo
Proof that it's their Discord:
Screenshot - 128b293aaaf12c374c758c76b4d71ec5 - Gyazo
Explanation of the trade: I use there discord to place sports bet for an irl friend, who has 0 idea of RS/ anything related, ive been using them for him for an long period, my friend sends slips and i send him the crypto wallet to bet at, i dont track hm he has, some times i re-calc for him but most times i beleive that they calculated it fairly, i placed alot of bets for him, multipile times with 1 cash in and they told me my tab is @ Screen capture - 8bd92e0dc3def611f5034a871ca38b9b - Gyazo @ 485.67$, i place bets which the first one i bet ( the one my friend made as first one, hit and the 3/4 of the other ones did not hit, if they didnt give an fake balance, ( 485$) my friend only woulda bet first one and woulda won, instead they decided the rulegiving as they wrong calculated and left this tab was that they said https://gyazo.com/55ad120dd51f8bfb9287dd76e88c5d41?token=f2bb52cd4d72036b38cda835ec8fe3be 0$ tab is left, cause they gave me too much tab and i went in -.
How they scammed: Made an mistake and wont own up to it,
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following rule ; 5. When a host says "Locked" or "GL" it means your bet has been processed and no further changes can be made including refunds. Exceptions are made at the discretion of your host if you want to make changes AFTER the bet was locked. meaning they locked the bets, and we never agreed on paying after. i do always tell them as i have tabs with person x and person x is sleeping, and my friend wants to bet to lock and if they say the tab isnt there, bets arent locked, they're using this as excuse, but on this bet that never was mentioned + the PERSON himself who said im @ 485.67$ was there when the bets were being placed, u cant let someone place 5 bets and then afterwards say "u lost 3/5 and u didnt have the $ so im putting u @ 0$, cause if i woulda won the 5 bets, what woulda happened? It's malicious activity's to gain more EV, wether it was or wasnt a mistake they went to the extend to waste my time upon writing this report.
Other relevant trade screenshots: Can provide all chats if staff thinks its important, if something is not explained well let me know so i can explain better, was in a hurry writing this.

 

Hello, I wasn’t a part of this but since I’m the owner I can check this out for you.

so according to the ticket you’ve made in our server:

Its a simple situation, tab got miscalculated because he wanted to bet an unconfirmed tab with a host that was afk. He knew the terms on betting an unconfirmed tab, when said rank went back and rechecked tabs he realized he's been betting unexistant $ and that made him lose 130$ extra which was covered by the rank and put the customer at @0 instead.

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/8a7a2e81a87012d524fcea20ddd727bd-png.jpg

Here is another screenshot you agreeing to the terms

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725127678662803468/1069657511331893248/IMG_6064.png

If furthermore assistant is needed my admin dorin and rank gold may reply to this report.

https://discord.gg/sportsisland

 

Kluch's reply isn't quite relative to my point im making, i'll re-explain my point ; I am betting money for my irl friend, in an space he doesnt know/understand 0.1% about, I have an tab with an certain host in there, and the host isnt online to confirm the tab, so i tell them to lock the bets, and if it comes out i didnt have the $ im betting, the bet wasnt locked which is very normal. Screen capture - 99cfc883e8f918a0fc120db94c9efc3f - Gyazo
Screen capture - 9f11480dc03972cbcaa4251a6a0c2dfd - Gyazo as these 2 gifs show, the screenshot Kluch's showing was way before, i placed bets for my friend, while gold ( the person i had the tab with was offline) my friend placed bets, and i clarified if the host says there's no balance somehow bets arent registered, it ended up resulting that i did have the tab, so the bets went through, and Gold said i had after these bets 485$ or whatever, my friend was planning on placing 1 bet but he doesnt rlly understand NBA so he thought his shit hit without him realizing or something and placed more bets, resulting in this happening it's gold's problem for miscalculating/not paying attention to this, leading in my friend placing more bets then he planned on ( only first one which hit) and caused him into losing money instead of winning money, it's very simple, Kluch his discord has certain rules as i've shown in the report, and no of his rules cover his hosts actions, also taking sentences out of content isn't something good to do if you're an leader of a betting discord. This is clearly an mistake that leads into EV benefits for Sportisland discord, not mentioning that they would round 271.83$ to 271$ before and stuff like that, it's one big show to steal/scam get more EV.

I thought originally making this report they would realize they got free EV unintentionally, but seeing the reply and taking stuff out of context as shown ontop, it's obviously a sceme to get more EV out of people, i hope people reading this'll be more carefull using this discord as im furious about this.

 

The bettor has attempted to double spend his balance/tab before Screenshot - 302ff9190e63281dbef89d6ba7d6369b - Gyazo
Screenshot - 9e4df32f95a10cf5bed73ac073747aaa - Gyazo after the balance has been already taken for other slips. The bettor is well aware of the balance he had, and keeps track of it(Screenshot - e2b02718771d51338e4e00dc792cf031 - Gyazo). In the previous image, the bettor is also very well aware of the current status of his bets, invalidating his own argument of "my "friend" thought something hit when it didn't in NBA slip". The bettor is very well aware of his actions, but pretends to be clueless about everything. While i had a miscommunication with the rank regarding the current tab, the bettor knew that he did not have even close to such amount, but chose not to say anything because it benefitted him, and he thought he would get away with it. The EV argument is also nonsense, as this situation had already led to the bettor placing slips with my own money that I did not owe him, so if anything the bettor went positive EV as he was betting with my money, that i now owe to other ranks.

 

it's upsetting seeing such big businesses lying over 200$ while evidence n chat logs are accesable for all, so lets get into Gold's reply.

Gold states the following ; "The bettor has attempted to double spend his balance/tab before" and shows two screenshots showing ;




This is an absolute stupid attempt at framing me, into making it look like i'm doing malicious things while in reality im farming them EV betting on them with my friends money, while i coulda did it on a site aswell, but oh well we're all humans in the end.

showing following ; these are the rules of the discord, where it clearly says to use the site you can see in the gyazo to get odds, and that the rules of this site are leading rules.

When you bet on Unibet, on for example ; Joel Embiid over 46.5 and he has 47 points, unibet will instantly pay u the balance as you're bet is already good and cant go wrong, why would they not pay you out instantly and miss out on potential EV, the screenshots that gold show about me "double spending" can be better shown here, Screen capture - e70adb98dc201b7412c3fbe79d513c6c - Gyazo
obviously Gold decided to not show that part of the screenshots proofing they were already good, and as my Gold rank shows ive bet atleast 25b, and always do this as i never got told not to, and the DISCORD rules say its allowed, as they follow the rules of the betting site.

It's very unproffesional for a discord like this to start attempting to frame an user, cause user is an degen and probally doesnt know how to defend himself instead of owning up for there own mistake, and i honestly do believe that this is TWC worthy, as he's manipulating his reply as ive shown above that he claims i double spend, and shows proof that looks legitimate until the full chat-logg was shown, just to clarify it even better ;

this was the first bet ;
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result 1 ;
Screenshot - 5a6dab3b8aa1dc27ff274a1ee8c462ed - Gyazo ( michael porter jr above 18.5 hit)
result 2 ; joel embiid hit aswell, Screen capture - 1028fc338b1058c28e1747d9ae6976df - Gyazo
So following Unibet, ( site bet was on) the bet was already good and as soon a bet is good they pay out, they dont wait till game is done.

There was no double spending/attempt, and if he showed the full conversation of this situation no one coulda thought that but it's obvious he's just trying to manipulate the situation in his own favour.


and regarding the extra EV situation ;


User should have 150$ balance or whatever i dont know exactly,
instead of betting 150$ user bets 500$ or whatever, if user won all 500$ bets, user wouldnt of got paid out cuz he betted balance he didnt have, when user loses the 500$ bets user his $ gets nullified, this is an situation everyone on this world would love to be in ( GOLD's pov) so i dont know how you can say you didnt gain EV from your own mistake, which makes this even more twc worthy as this is straight up scamming.


Following the official Sythe rules ;

under section ; minor rules
category ; Flaming, Harassment, Trolling:
the following rule is ;

• Deceiving members or staff for fun, humor, or to cause drama.

Calling me an double spender, is an heavy threat, which ive shown above is a lie, you've said i attempted it multipile times could you provide evidence of this with full context? or were you deceiving an member to cause drama/humor? @Gold

 

this is about your nonexistent tab who cares about this other nonsense drama between gold.

 

Well, it was Gold who started mentioning an lie, am i supposed to allow him to lie? why do you quote my message but not him starting with irrelevant lies, while all i did was explain the irrelevancy and the falseness of it?

 

he can say the sky is falling down who cares, let the mods handle this report so we can be done with you. Go place your wager else where and stop joining on alts and spamming my server thanks.

 

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