[Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

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[Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"
  1. Unread #1 - Feb 5, 2022 at 6:00 AM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    There's a simple reason why I'm suggesting this: a lifetime recovery term cannot be upheld or guaranteed, therefore it is blatantly misleading. For instance, after a certain period of time, a user is bound to become inactive on this website. A good analogy is the Tribot scripting community. The reason private scripts are rarely sold on a permanent basis over there is that the website is aware of the fact that a scripter may become inactive after a certain period, and thus, cease to update it.

    Users should be incentivized to specify their recovery term. Buyers should be made aware of the fact that at one point or another, there is a chance that their seller will be off-bounds. This is a risk that is inherent to buying OSRS accounts that awareness should be raised off and not masked by a misleading term. In addition, my suggestion will lead to more transparency for buyers prior to sale. This is relevant for buyers when opting between multiple sellers. Look at it like this:
    the comparative is a lot of sellers who say: "lifetime guarantee" (Status Quo), versus seller A who says "5-year guarantee under conditions X and Y" and seller B who says "3-years guarantee under condition Z" (under new policy). This transparency will also lead to more accurate price representations and will lead to a more healthy negotiation process: better recovery policy → higher price

    Let me know what you guys think
     
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  3. Unread #2 - Feb 5, 2022 at 6:46 AM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    Agree 100%. People should not guarantee that they can always be contacted because who knows where they will be x-years down the road. Setting a solid timeframe would be more suitable and ideal. It makes you feel good when you see lifetime guarantee, but not so good when years down the line there is a problem with the account or service and the seller is nowhere to be found.
     
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  5. Unread #3 - Feb 8, 2022 at 8:14 AM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    If I am not mistaken, some prominent account sellers offer lifetime recovery if they keep access to the email and don't share any personal information. That way, it protects both the buyer and seller. If this is the case, I don't think the policy should change because it seems to work out for them.
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    Not only the prominent sellers, also smol sellers who recover the account after 2 weeks. Plus, i dont think it rational to expect the seller to help you out 20 years after you bought the account, we all go different ways at some point in life.
     
  9. Unread #5 - Feb 8, 2022 at 8:20 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    I don't think it will make much of a difference, if you buy a vacuum cleaner or kitchen appliance with a "lifetime guarantee" and the company goes bust at some point then what are you going to do when it breaks?

    Sure we can ban someone on here for not recovering an account but if they've gone inactive / left the site forever then it's not really going to mean much to them.

    Common sense should come out on top here, if I purchase an oven with a lifetime guarantee then I know so long as the company is still going after X many years then I'll still be able to get my oven repaired / replaced if there's a problem with it. If I buy an RS account on Sythe then I know I "should" be able to recover it after however much time so long as the seller is still active on here (and willing to recover, which they obviously should).

    The only change I would make here is for the seller to provide an email address or something that they would expect to always use (even if they leave Sythe) in the future so they should always be reachable there.
     
  11. Unread #6 - Feb 8, 2022 at 10:43 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    Makes sense.

    Although what OP said makes sense, people should know that there are no guarantees on the internet when it comes to buying certain digital stuff such as accounts. It's common sense. I don't believe sellers when they say 'lifetime recovery guaranteed', because sometimes it'll simply be out of their hands unless they're still in business and are actually willing to provide you with an extra account which is unlikely after a few years of ownership.
     
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  13. Unread #7 - Feb 9, 2022 at 8:54 AM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    I mean, with your reasoning, there should not be any "account guarantees" because people after a week could take back their accounts.

    If a seller chooses to have a lifetime guarantee, I think we should respect their choice.
     
  15. Unread #8 - Feb 9, 2022 at 8:47 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    This.

    We provide lifetime guarantee, because we know 100% certainty that the account is safe because we maintain the email.
    If clients want to change the email, they're allowed, but when they do, they waive that guarantee.
    There are absolutely situations where you can guarantee an account is safe for a lifetime. "Lifetime" being a vague term, I understand what you're saying, but there's no way to define the warranty otherwise. The warranty exists for as long as OSRS allows for me to be capable of providing support, or until I die I guess. Both of which would be lifetimes.
     
  17. Unread #9 - Mar 1, 2022 at 12:35 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    I can make this simpler

    Disallow selling accounts that one doesn't own and make it mandatory when selling an account that one is the OO, he should provide all the relevant recovery information
     
  19. Unread #10 - Mar 1, 2022 at 1:21 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    You are not allowed to sell accounts that you don't own, but I'm assuming you mean you want to disallowing the sale of accounts you're not the OO of.
    I don't think that's a scenario you'd want. If a customer buys an account from me and want to get rid of it at a later date, they are free to sell it to whoever they want. Now with your new rule, they would not be allowed to ever sell the account.

    Regarding mandatory recovery info, that's kinda problematic as well.
    What is to stop a seller from providing fake recovery info? And if the correct recovery info is given, what is to stop a buyer from submitting a fake recovery test?


    As for the suggestion itself, I disagree with disallowing the term 'lifetime warranty'. Of course there are risks, but it's not much different in real life. If you buy a product/service from a store and they promise a warranty (a month, a year, lifetime, any warranty) and they go bankrupt, there's not much you can do about that either.
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    RE: recovery information

    When friends ask me about buying accounts, I actually tell them it's safer to ask to not have any recovery information given to them.
    If you buy an account and are given recovery information, that account is never secure again.
    If you're not given recovery information, there's still only one person responsible/capable of securing that account.
    This allows there to be some responsibility to the account original owner.
    That said, if you want recovery info after a warranty period has expired or something, I guess that makes sense; but once recovery information has been passed, the account will never be secure again, and if it's ever recovered from someone who currently owns the account, you just have a "he-said/she-said" about who recovered it.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Mar 1, 2022 at 11:48 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    No support from me
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    Please lol

    Its well known & ignored by the vast majority, that 99/100 of these so called 9hps, low levels with bunny ears or scythe are cracked/bruteforced accounts, yet sythe allows them to be sold
     
  27. Unread #14 - Mar 2, 2022 at 9:55 AM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    tbh this is a terrible idea , deleting the lifetime warranty buyer could recover the account or the account gets blocked after the lifetime warranty is over in which the buyer pretty much have the right to not help the customer.
    My point is that when you sell/buy accounts there is always a risk of block/ban/scam.. buyer and seller know the possible consequences that can happend lifetime warranty helps the buyer without it , the buyer as no protection for scams/blocked account.
    For me this is a big no support..
     
  29. Unread #15 - Mar 3, 2022 at 12:04 AM
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    Key word... REPEATED... He said it once
     
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  31. Unread #16 - Mar 3, 2022 at 4:50 PM
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    I agree with disallowing of "Lifetime warranties" - but I guess what's stopping someone from saying "10 year guarantee" and then still going inactive? Sorry trying to play devils advocate and weighing both sides.
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    This is being discussed by staff. The reason it is allowed is because these accounts could be legitimate as well. I believe the demand for these type of accounts has grown and it's led to some people brute forcing to obtain more. The sellers themselves might not be cracking/brute forcing, but it's indeed highly likely that the people they purchase them from are. Disallowing the sale of these accounts could be rather difficult as we'd have to decide what account type is allowed, and what account type isn't allowed. We could also implement a rule that forces sellers of these accounts to be the OO, or at least be able to unlock/recover them if needed. This however would complicate disputes as even the Original Owner of an account could sometimes not even unlock their account.

    I appreciate the input, feel free to make a suggestion about this subject as well.
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    Similar to what I think, the same with a lot of the users either as you said either being inactive or just simply scam quitting, which then the customer has to hope for the best via either still getting a refund at some point down the road or the community repayment
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    I share a similar position as the quoted posts above.. no need to re-hash. I see no reason to change or disallow lifetime warranties and think it's semantics at that point. No support.
     
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    [Denied]Disallow the term "lifetime recovery guarantee"

    Yup problem is as much as I'd like to do a positive on it, there will always be issues like general scammers and sure they are few and far apart I see plenty of them on Facebook markets
     
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