Counter Scamming

awesome idea should help reduce scammers by a lot

 

Yes, but you can't just take advantage of someones trust for an OMM in order to steal the item. Defeats the purpose that OMMs serve.

 

There is one problem; if a scammer sees the scammer report and knows about this rule, the scammer would not use an OMM.

 

No it's not at all. You're making it sound as if a crime hasn't already occurred. This isn't related to 'luring someone into committing something'. And it's not hard to still get scammed whilst using an official middleman. You can take all the 'necessary precautions' and still lose.

You're right that it's not my responsibility to help recover items. Although that is the whole point of this suggestion... make it so I'm able to.

That is entirely possible, yes, but if someone refuses to use an official middleman it raises a ton of suspicion.

Pretty much. I would assume it's not hard.

And you know a permanent ban does absolutely nothing... A person can take all the 'necessary precautions' and still get scammed.

You're not understanding the concept. It's not stealing; we are only recovering.

Refer to above. Refusing to use an official middleman/staff member raises a lot of suspicion.

 

I agree with this 100%

 

Support. scammers need what they deserve.

 

I support this

pretty much scam the scammer.

 

I understand the concept perfectly.

The method you use to recover it, is stealing. Why is it stealing? Because the aim is to get the person who is in possession of the item to trust you, and convince them that your aim of the trade is to help it be completed successfully.

You cannot give OMM's this right, it would contradict the whole purpose that they serve. That purpose, is being the most trusted members on the forum, who do not break trust.

If you really want to do this, then you can introduce a counter scamming rank, where members of said rank are undercover (rank is hidden but have staff privledges) and try to scam back scammed items but do not involve OMMs in the trades (because then it would have to be a legitimate trade).

 

Okay, fine. If mods/OMM want to risk it, I have no problem.

 

I remember the situation and I think you made the right decision.

However, I wish to confront this.

Contact should be made with the original owner before attempting to recover said items and/or it should be made evident that contact can be made with the original owner. In selling the items and having the funds donated to Sythe, both Users A and B would have been scammed by Sythe.

Besides that, I support.

 

Scammers do not deserve the right to trust OMMs.

 

Good idea. I totally support.

 

This is the reason I do not trust anyone but myself and a select few from sythe.org....

Scamming is bad. No. Bad suggestion.

I definitely will never consider to use an OMM ever again.

 

Nick, I understand where you're coming from. Scammers are scum. They are lowlifes completely undeserving of sympathy or privilege. However, I still think we shouldn't tarnish the golden image of OMMs and Staff. Even if we call it "recovery", there is still lying involved. Who knows, lying once can convert people.

I understand why people would readily support this suggestion because it yields results that immediately satisfy your desires. We all need to realize that this would be complicated to setup and would be one more responsibility for the staff. Think of how many people get scammed a day. There are dozens of reports that aren't answered because the staff is busy. Will it help if they need to spend helping you trick a scammer into giving you your account back?

I personally believe the solution is education, awareness, and a personal sense of safety. We all get tricked sometimes. By being smart and reading peoples' personalities, we can minimize risks and losses. We should take responsibility upon ourselves as members to reduce the amount of scammers who are successful each day. This will lighten the load on the mods and perhaps they will consider participating in "recoveries" for the extremely dire issues.

Just my two cents, off the top of my head.

 

It's not considered stealing if the person got his account stolen and wants the official to recover it back for him?

So your trying to say that OMM can't gain anymore privileges? Please tell me who are you to say that just because an OMM were started off as only to be allowed to make sure trades go successful that they can't gain anything that's all there allowed to do? That's like saying if you start off a police officer as a traffic guard that you can't get promoted you have to stay a traffic guard forever ?

I Support This Idea 100%...

 

I'm still not clear on this.

I trade an account to somone, they scam me by recovering the account somehow.

So how does "staff/OMM" get it back by saying I'll buy the account from you for whatever, and use a trusted MM and then the MM gets the account back for me?

How obvious is that?

 

You didn't understand at all what I was saying, your analogy also doesn't apply to OMMs.

 

That is true, but then people will want to use an OMM for every trade as there is a possibility that the account got be scammed and this will stop people from using ordinary MM's and then people will not be able to complete their applications or whatever.

 

It is not true, especially when the OMMs are openly talking about allowing themselves to scam.

 

Perfect point.. It is there own responsibility to use an OMM, if they are not there risking there own account or whatever.. So it's there fault in the end.. They are responsible for it.. End of..

Maybe if an OMM is used and account is recovered by the person selling the account, and this is proven the OMM is allowed to attempt to recover the account for the buyer.