The Existence of God

I just love this part, comes directly from the movie "The Invention Of Lying"! Has anyone seen it? I really recommend to watch it, very funny and you will see what i am saying.

 

Sounds more like Carlin's bit on religion tbh.

 

Yeah, it does actually, i just thought i would point that out. Both are almost the same practically.

 

Nothing can rule it out, or the Flying spaghetti monster. however it should change the way people think of this "loving" god.

 

Your existence.

 

You know science has failed yet to prove many subjects for example.

If evolution does work then there should be species of any kind in planets like Venus and Mars.If you come up with the excuse that Venus is too hot or uninhabitable then your wrong our planet could be uninhabitable too if there was any other type of species.

Also we as humans know what's right and what's wrong.Our right may be wrong to others;our wrong may be right to others as well.

Another thing is that most religious people (I'm not very religious but I do believe in the catholic faith.) can feel the presence of God.
Now you might start thinking that wow that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.But just think about this.
Have you had a headache?Stomach ache? I bet you have.Well you can feel the pain or the sensation of it can't you?But you can't smell it,see it,hear or touch the pain.God is the same way metaphorically;Can't smell,hear or see God on command.So if the Atheistic way applies to everything Atheists wouldn't believe headaches existed.It seems stupid if your just "lettering" this
but seriously think about it.

 

Well, lets see.

Why would god allow such horrible things to happen to us human beings if he loved us so much? This thread is mostly about Christianity and someone on the first page said that god doesn't have emotion but in the bible it says that he loves his children and when you define love(;a strong positive emotion of regard and affection) then you must assume he does indeed have emotion. Then if he has emotion why would he standby while his children suffer? Is he a sadistic(;someone who delights in the pain of others) god?

On another point;
Native Americans believe in NATURE and not so much a god.
Hindus believe in gods, in fact there are 330 gods.

There are so many different religions that have gods but we target Christianity more then we target other religions. The question is; why? Why do we feel the need to bring THIS PARTICULAR religion down more then the other ones?

ps; to answer the original question of this thread, yes i do believe in a God but i don't have a particular religion to associate it with. I believe in a being that takes care of the souls when the souls need healing. Otherwise it's too depressing to think that we live for 80-90 years and discontinue exisiting.
My opinion would be because most Christians use their faith as a excuse and they are hypocrites. This is why I do not believe in Christianity nor its followers.

To answer the original question; Yes, i do believe in a being who takes of our souls when our souls need healing. Otherwise it's too depressing to think that we only live 80-90 years and just discontinue existance.

 

I'm so GLAD you asked that question!!!!
God is not the current "ruler" of this world. Satan is.
I can prove it to you too.

2 Corinthians 4:4

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

"prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2
"ruler of this world" John 12:31

To say, for example, that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely; only God does this. But it does mean that God, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world (within the boundaries God has set for him) and has allowed Satan to operate with an agenda.

Satan—the god of this world—pushes a false philosophy onto the world. Satan sets the agenda, the unbelieving world follows, and mankind continues to be deceived. It is no wonder that Scripture calls Satan a liar John 8:44
The Philosophy being that we humans can rule ourselves.With human government. Which as you can see from a quick browse on any news channel isn't going too well.

 

1) Science is of an physical realm and believing in supernatural things is more spiritual thing. They are two separate things and just because i 'believe' in science does not mean i disregard the other.

2) Earth has oxygen and we need oxygen to breathe. Venus and the other planets do not have oxygen nor do they have water (except maybe mars but their looking into it.) so evolution could not exist on these particular planets in our solar system. Perhaps there IS evolution happening somewhere out there in space and it is naive and ignorant of us to think that we are the only ones. How do you know that the God created only us and planet earth? How do you know that maybe we aren't the only beings he created. Does it say anywhere in the bible that we are indeed the special ones?

3) We are taught what is wrong and what is right by our parents, but who taught our parents? THEIR parents. It goes ages back and we learn from mistake and from those mistakes we pass the knowledge down to our descendants. Example; Caveman creates fire, touches fire, is burned, REMEMBERS that is hurts and not to touch it, passes the knowledge down to his children. We are not BORN with knowledge.

4) Again with emotion. Your body is a physical thing. You may not SEE into your brain and you may not have a microscope to see what is happening IN your brain but you can feel the part where it hurts by poking it. God is not in a physical object.

 

I was not talking about the non believers. I was talking about gods children and why THEY suffer so much. If satan is the ruler of this life then wouldnt your god protect you from him if hes superior to satan?

Also you say that in the bible Satan is mentioned as a god. if religion is based ON a god then why do you judge people who worship Satan? Because their evil? Well maybe to them YOU are evil.
It goes both ways, luv.

 

Holy shit this is a lot to answer, but I will.

This is relevant how? Religion fails to prove anything.

Because the conditions needed for life to evolve weren't right. If you'd looked into the scientific perspective on the origin of life on Earth, you'd know what incredible coincidence is needed to spark simple life which evolves into more advanced organisms.

You're contradicting yourself here, I don't see a need to respond until you figure out what your opinion is.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! Of course that's what I think, well I've heard worse but it comes close. The point is that people think they feel the presence of God, while there is no evidence beyond personal opinion to support this.

Extremely bad comparison. We know what causes headaches and stomachaches, and it can be supported by empirical measurements. This does not apply for "feeling God's presence"

I've read it carefully, and it's still nonsense.

I was born Protestant, and Christianity is the most popular religion here. That's why I focus on it.

Yeah, quote the Bible and call it proof. But if so, why has God allowed.. Oh right, mysterious ways and all that... Sorry...

 

This is an answer to anyone asking why god allowed Satan to rule the world.
And why he hasn't stopped it.
Let us consider an illustration.
Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem.
A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong.
Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem.
Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious.
What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students?
Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right?
All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong.
But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.

The teacher in the illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong.
But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class.
When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class.

This is exactly what happened with God and Satan.

 

Heard it before. I don't think it fits though.

1. The rebellious students group only really fits Satan worshipers, what about Atheists? The kids in the back who realize algebra won't affect their adult lives?
2. When the teacher shows them the right answer, none of the students who opposed him face eternal torment (unless he's an incredibly biased and hateful teacher).

 

1.Atheists should be the slow kids on the right side of the class.
If they see the teacher is right the rebellious student isn't they'll say "well he's right we should trust him instead of the rebellious student"
2.No but they might get "detention"(hell)

 

Again, you are avoiding what i am actually saying.
I wasn't asking why god allowed satan to rule the world.
I was asking why god would allow horrible things done to his followers if he is superior to satan.

Also, you are basically saying that god wants to make a example out of those who are not believers but yet in the bible he says he loves everyone even if they turn away from him. If god indeed exists and if he loved us so much why would he send the non believers to hell? Why do we suffer for adams and eves mistake? Maybe there was a god in the beginning but when god discovered that adam and eve were flukes he left and hasnt been here since thus why the world is in chaos.

point being; unless you have spoken to god himself you would not know if he actually existed or not. Since you love examples so much i will give you one;

You go to the docter with a ache and the docter gives you a pill and says that it will make you feel better in 2 days. You take the pill and in 2 days you indeed feel better! But the pill was in fact a mint. Its the power of the mind. If you believe something you can delusion yourself into making something ache or your case believing you hear god.

 

Actually no. They will say, 'I don't care who is right because this subject does not apply to me and my future.' and continue to stare out the window.

Athiests won't follow either.

 

1. Well, since this is a comparison to God, we're (and by that I mean you) still waiting for the real answer. But there is no real indication suggesting that the teacher will ever reveal the answer, or if he even knows it. I'd use substitute teacher in this example now that I think of it, as the students have no first hand knowledge of him.

2. Do you think students who question their teacher should be sent to detention? Way to crush initiative and critical views. You're digging yourself into a hole here.

 

The whole concept of existence traces back to 'God.'

Existence is an absolute. something had to of created it prior.

So, It's more of a concept of 'Is he real?'

 

Yes, I believe there is a god and there always will be one.

 

To Prove a point to Satan and any other rebellious Angels.
Also you might say wow he's mean to us just to prove a point.
It's not gonna be for long most of the prophetic scenes described in the Revelations are happening now meaning judgment day is coming.