Plagiarism needs to be a perm ban

I firmly believe any realistic form of plagiarism should be a bannable offence and I really don't understand why it no longer is.

It's one HUGELY important judgement of character. Any member that would knowingly (especially blatantly) copy someone's work to gain an advantage would CERTAINLY scam in a trade. The mentality that "I can go and take someones work, copy and paste, then become UE or respected" can easily be translated into a scamming mentality during a trade.

Lowering Sythe.org's standards to a simple forum ban is complete and utter garbage.

Things really need to change back and I won't stand for things staying as they are.

Changing infractions for spam to a lower number to protect trusted members from getting temped needlessly is one thing.

Changing a permenant ban for plagiarism to a forum ban is ridiculous.

Quite a few scammers could be cut off at the pass.

Thanks,
Ethan

 

i wouldn't say a perm ban but maybe a 30 day ban or something and any UE ranks stripped and they can no longer get them back

 

Do you think a 30 day ban is suitable for a scammer?

I think not.

 

I support, plagiarism is basically stealing. So by only giving the persona a slap on the wrist we are kind of supporting theft >.>

 

From Dictionary.com

Specific link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagiarism

 

i agree man u, i think plagarism should be a perm banned.

 

UM? Wow? Do you not get the point? That like saying if I scam you in a rs related trade, Ill get a 30 day ban and be forgiven... wow.

 

I am thinking:
Plagiarism first offense: 1 year ban
Any other related offenses after that: perm ban

 

it depends what kind of plagiarism,theyre are little ones and big ones,for example,you take someones avatar,sig and use it as ur own,so you should be perm banned for that? how do you know where the person got it from in the first place.

 

No? That completely goes against the point of a ban. You don't allow any form of theft to occur AT ALL.

There needs to be a zero tolerance policy in place..

 

People are idiots. Too many people were getting banned, and to cut the ban rate we gave them a second chance... They are not really hurting anyone very much, so they can have one.

 

Ripping any guide results in a 30 day suspension from Sythe.org, and also a forum ban indefinitely from the User Education.

I believe a permanent ban would be ideal.

 

Do you realize what you just said? Oh.. They're not really hurting anyone by committing theft illegal by US law and plenty of other developed countries.

Are you really going to deny the fact that it's a problem? The ban rate isn't a problem. It's people coming on here thinking they can scam because people like you say it's alright to rip someone else's work.

What if you wrote a program worth $500, I took it and sold it on Sythe and made TWICE THAT.

You'd want at least $500, wouldn't you?

Recognition, respect, and rankings are all worth something. It doesn't have to be monetary to have some weight in a user's status on Sythe.org.

Things like that make me sick.

 

I Support But Idk If Perm Ban Is Necessary.

 

Part of the problem is that many users don't understand that there are rules against stealing creative property. They see a guide, think it's a cool idea, and copy & paste it without even knowing that they're doing anything wrong. Even where they do know that the rules exist, many of our users are too young to truly understand the moral objections to plagiarism.

Where the theft is deliberate and done for profit, I would agree with you. The truth is, most of the time, it's not. For that reason, I believe a one-month ban is appropriate, at least for a warning.

 

How is it not necessary for stealing?

If what you say is true, ignorance of the rules is also allowed. That's the same as saying someone can scam, be taught no moral standards, and not know it's wrong so they should remain with a slap on the wrist.

The reason the rules were revised was because "trusted members" who were clearly informed of the rules and knew them well took it upon themselves to perform theft in any which way they could.

I'm tired of it being allowed here because every fiber of my existence tells me it's wrong.

Staff needs to look again into the issue at hand and revise it accordingly. It hasn't been revised to the best intrest of the members here and it currently remains a loophole for scammers of literary rights.

It's not important if it's for monetary profit or not. Respect is a huge profit that many can't muster. They then choose to take advantage of the loophole in the Sythe.org system that's still being allowed to exist.

 

We don't accept not knowing the rules as an excuse - anyone who receives a month temp for plagiarism must serve it regardless of whether the were aware of the rule or not. However, the entire point of infractions and temps is to warn users - if "it's in the rules" were a valid excuse to simply perm ban everyone, we wouldn't have any temp bans.

As for your analogy of scamming to plagiarism, I disagree. Some rules don't need an explanation; in modern society, everyone is taught that the theft of physical property is socially unacceptable and morally wrong. Even if they don't agree with that assessment, they are at least aware that it exists - and those who choose to ignore it cannot, for the safety of our users, be allowed to remain on a trading site. As stated above, many younger users aren't taught the same thing about intellectual property; in fact, I suspect it is only recently, with the introduction of the internet, that it has become necessary.

Also unlike scamming, plagiarism doesn't really hurt anyone except the creator. In regards to reputation, since you brought it up, people shouldn't trust users who post UE guides anymore than they should trust people with high post counts. If they do, I'm afraid that's their mistake.

Read the fine print of the rules. "* = If only posted/offended once. If posted/offended more than once, it's a permanent ban."

 

I'm going to have to agree with Sin.
A 1-year first offence ban is WAY to strict and doesn't give new members a chance to learn.
I do think that A 30 day, first offence ban is an agreeable and decent punishment. On the other hand risking it is a high cost. Regardless, a second offence of 1 year or more is suitable for plagiarists.

 

The idea is that they should learn the first time. There's a complete difference between spam that can be interpreted as a mistake where plagiarism is a complete and utter disregard for someone's work.

How can you possibly disagree and say plagiarism isn't scamming? Sythe himself would agree with me. Literary property and physical property are both property by the owner. Intellectual property is important and allowing it to be violated is clearly against Sythe.org rules.

Again, you're allowing it to be a loophole by trying to rationalize the situation and say it DOESN'T EFFECT ANYONE EXCEPT THE CREATOR.

Is the creator not in their own right to property? That goes against anything I've learned in my entire life.