DMT - the key to the afterlife?

1. DMT causes hallucinations and dreams
2. Massive amounts of DMT are released when you die
3. DMT is the gateway to the afterlife

Faulty logic with no proof to back your conclusion up.

You first must prove the afterlife exists before you can claim that DMT is the gateway to it. Anecdotal evidence of out of body experiences doesn't count as proof of an afterlife.

 

Wow. I'm guessing you completely missed the question mark at the end of my title? I never fucking tried to prove anything, you don't have to be a fucking genius to know you can't prove or disprove anything about the afterlife. This thread is clearly philosophical as in what would make sense, and if you don't like that then please get the fuck out. Thank you.

 

I was showing how your reasoning behind why it might be they key to the afterlife is wrong. If your reasoning is wrong then the answer to your question would be no, it's not the key to the afterlife because we don't know if there is an afterlife.

The people who have near death experiences and say they've gone to heaven or seen the afterlife are just experiencing that flood of DMT. It's just the chemical flooding their brains the moment before they die that gives them these visions. In that case, DMT wouldn't be responsible for bringing your mind away from your physical body. It would just give you the illusion of doing so. In that case, it's not the key to the afterlife, but what we perceive as the afterlife. I also think that something physical (DMT being a chemical) couldn't possibly be responsible for sending your mind away from the physical world and into the afterlife because it's something physical itself. It would have to be sending your mind away from the DMT itself which would cancel out any effect the DMT had because it would no longer be there. It's a contradiction and therefore cannot be true.

 

This is really interesting I will be looking into this more =]

 

People have had visions after they have been pronounced dead, and were able to tell the story after being brought back to life.

And are you meaning to tell me that one little chemical created the experience of extraterrestrial beings completely made out of energy talking to you? If this was true, then every DMT trip would be the same, since the structure of the chemical doesn't change. Think of DMT simply as a key, the same way a key unlocks a door, DMT unlocks the door to other realms. The key doesn't change what lies behind the door.

 

How can you tell when you have the vision? If you are dead, you have no conscience. It's much like sleeping. You aren't aware of the time going by. If they got brain activity after they were dead, that would be a different story, but there are no instances of this happening. There is a phenomena called Time Dilation. It's the illusion that more time has gone by than actually has. People in REM sleep sometimes experience this. REM sleep is the stage of sleep where dreams occur and thus DMT is present. People could spend what seems like hours in a DMT trip pre-death and then "sleep" through the time they were dead not being aware of the time that was going by. This would give the illusion that they were conscious while dead.

I am saying exactly that if DMT causes hallucinations. When people hallucinate under the influence of other hallucinogenic drugs they don't all experience the same hallucinations so why should DMT be any different. The chemical makeup of those substances doesn't change either. If your dreams are just DMT at work and you can control your dreams, you can probably control a DMT trip as well. People see what they want to see that moment before they die. Why don't all of the "near death experience" stories line up? If there is an afterlife, and you go to it when you die, everyone who has been there would be able to describe the same thing.

 

If your theory was right, then the person would enter the other realm and abruptly wake up in the middle of all of it. But most, if not all, near death experiences end with the person being brought back to their body.

Well then why are the near death experiences all different? Shouldn't the same chemical produce the same experience every time? I know that every time I throw a slab of potassium into water, that it will burn, so how come every time you ingest a psychedelic you get a different result?

And people don't always see what they want the moment before they die. Look up "distressing near death experiences".

 

That could easily be explained by the chemical wearing off or starting to subside. When you do a drug, you don't get high for a while and then instantly come down from that high. It's a gradual process.

Yes, the chemical doesn't change, but what it's being applied to does. Not every human brain is the exact same. They have different memories, they've seen different things, somethings matter more than others to them. If your hypothesis is correct, all of our dreams would be the same as well. DMT has a different effect on everyone. If you were to give DMT to 10 different people and asked them all to tell you about their experience, they wouldn't all experience the afterlife/inter-dimensional travel/aliens. They would each give you a different story and each story would be in a different setting and even at a different time. Much like a dream. All it is is a super-effective psychedelic drug. There's nothing that should lead anyone to believe any differently.

 

So the DMT somehow knows to start wearing off as doctors get closer to reviving you? People have been dead for different periods of time, so the idea that the chemical wears off right before the person spontaneously comes back to life doesn't make much sense.

You should read up more on DMT and people's trips on it, because they are all based on the afterlife/inter-dimensional travel/aliens. Encountering aliens is a very very common part of a DMT trip. People with no interest at all in aliens have seen aliens in their trip.

Plus, people that have been blind their whole lives have "seen" things in their near death experience: http://www.melvinmorse.com/e-blind.htm How could they see things without any memory of seeing things in their life?

 

Im going to be trying DMT myself, so is one of my best friends. As you can tell my newly styled avatar and signature, I am very into this, and find it one of the best theorys on the afterlife I've ever heard.

 

Are you extracting it yourself or buying it from someone? And make sure to share your experience with us

 

I plan on extracting it myself, as I cannot get any from a dealer, apparently. I have a .pdf guide on extraction for students if you want it.

 

No you don't get it. DMT rushes into your brain just before you die. You trip. As it starts to wear off, you die. Nothing happens while you're dead. You can't feel this time going by, so you don't know that it has. It feels like it has because of Time Dilation. Then the Doctors revive you and it feels like you just woke up from your trip.

A hallucination happens when parts of the brain are stimulated when there is no external stimuli. Blind people seeing could easily be explained by their Visual Cortex being stimulated by the DMT. It's well documented that when you stimulate even a blind person's visual cortex, they "see" shapes and colors without their eyes actually doing anything.

 

Not all deaths happen slowly. Some deaths happen instantly, or in seconds. DMT starts wearing off after about 10-15 minutes. You act like you know a lot about DMT but you really don't, just go read up more on it, I'm sure you will find it very interesting.

Your brain can't construct something without having a past memory of it. You say they saw shapes and colors, but why not people and more complex things? I mean shapes and colors doesn't mean a lot, anyone can see them by closing their eyes and pressing down on them.

 

I've been looking for DMT for a few months now (not actively, of course).

My friend recently got his hands on it and I've been waiting to hear his experience.

But yeah, it's supposed to be the most potent psychedelic in existence and you're supposed to see aliens and all that.

If anyone wants to sell some for an amount that isn't 300$+ then I'll buy it, Lol.

 

Really odd I've never heard of this but I'm going to check it out.

 

So can you extract DMT from grass?

 

If DMT was the pathway to afterlife, what would that matter to us? Would there be a way to use it in doing something?, sorry im a little lost here.

And how do you take DMT, injections or what?

 

i think its odd how every1 who uses dmt sees the same thing

 

Not to say I'm golden myself, but in SFA we prefer people use spelling&grammar.

I am yet to have done DMT or extracted it.