Middleman taking a cut on a free middleman service?

Scammer's profile link: League Solutions

Amount scammed: $24

Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: admins: Screenshot - c1981cd9dfde2f9e9e7e3b97adaf605b - Gyazo
LeagueSolutions#2825/717628933725487175 - discord owner

Proof that it's their Discord: Can't, I was kicked

Explanation of the trade: I sold an account to:FatalBlow for $130 - Screenshot - 22e77712ddd054ad94b8d03e1396447b - Gyazo He paid them $150, $130 for me, $20 for himself for gold. I informed them during the MM Chat that I wanted BTC EQUIVALENT, NOT GOLD for the funds they were given. https://i.gyazo.com/18d3942a8da67b05abdb9e3609676548.png

How they scammed: instead of giving me the equivalent funds for that they were given ($130) they do some mental buy/sell trade in their heads in order to give me less, and themselves a cut. when they're advertising a free middleman service. ⭐$500 DONOR⭐600+ Vouches⭐rPro⭐FREE⭐Middleman Services

Other relevant trade screenshots: I never agreed to any TOS for gold buying/selling, I was just in the MM trade in their discord: Screenshot - a7cf40a584acdb8882d2deb8e01164d3 - Gyazo

Them agreeing to give me BTC for the $130 that Leon paid them https://i.gyazo.com/abe5543cac61f224a0e1f21080d459cd.png

This is supposed to be an equivalent transfer, why are they valuing the funds at .54 1 way, and then .44 my way? That's being slimy, and trying to take a cut from a transaction you're advertising to do for free.

They agreed to give me EQUIVALENT. Not sell price/buy price bullshit they're doing. I never sold them gold, nor did they sell me gold.

He was given payment for a total of $150. $20 for them, and $130 for the account MM.

 

Responding to this in a sec.

 

Another sythe user came to us for a middleman service to buy an account from Mark. (@FatalBlow)
Pay CLOSE attention to this screenshot, as to what the ACTUAL trade is. There is no $130 for $130 thing, anywhere. He came to get a middleman for OSRS account to 07GP


At that same time there is a separate trade going on with the same person (Leon) that has NOTHING to do with MarkSe

Leon is buying gold off us via CREDIT CARD (important connotation) for $150. $20 in GP for him, and $130 in GP to MarkSe for the account. We compare rates for credit card purchases between us and other sites. He goes with us as we're cheapest in credit card purchases (0.54 per mill).



''$130 WORTH OF GP"

Mark gets added to the ticket, and again CLEARLY it states that the account being sold is for GP, not $130 USD. GP that he bought for $130, at this point mark is added to the ticket, so there is NO WAY for him to miss it, he even said hello



Now this is where the trade goes ''south'':

The guy clearly, himself states: CAN YOU SEND ME THE GP EQUIVALENT IN BTC, AS I'M GOING TO SELL THE GOLD ANYWAY

We respond with, yes we can pay in btc for gold buying price (He will try to deny this by taking a 1 message screenshot and cutting out the ''gold buying rate'' part in another message (he clearly saw them, he messaged in the chat right after) just to fit his narrative. He even responds OKAY to that.


What happens next: Leon has bought 240.7M from us ($130/0.54, credit card rate), those mills belong to Arnold after the trade, but since he requested btc and the staff member CLEARLY stated that we can pay in btc for gold BUYING price, aka price we buy gold for, we calculate it 240.7x0.44 - $106. We send him $106 BTC and then he starts whining and extorting us. He takes a screenshot, cuts it up so that it BARELY fits his narrative, and then tries to extort the staff member for money by berating/trying to play ''the rightful saviour'', as shown below, we ban him from discord for harrassing the staff member who even insisted on solving the situation by giving him 240.7M back if he sent back the $106 in BTC that we sent him as well as to preserve evidence in case this ''scam report'' he's been threatening us with goes through. He also tried threatening us with Pirate, by giving him a no context situation then sending back his response




Now what Mark refuses to understand that has been explained to him a million times:

a) Us selling gold to Leon has nothing to do with him - Leon came to us for a middleman trade for GP to OSRS acc
b) Him being told that we'll pay in BTC via gold buying price which is NOT 0.44
c) Him mentioning ''I'm going to sell the gold anyway", well good? Take the gold then. I'll give you the 240.7M Leon bought from us, give us back the $106 BTC we sent you, and go sell it anywhere else? What do you expect?

Mark/Arnold expects to get 0.54 rate on gold IN BTC, and that is unreasonable why?:
a) We sold gold to Leon at 0.54, because it is a credit card purchase, which means if he CHARGES BACK the $130 he sent us, it's our business suffering, not Arnold?
b) It is virtually impossible to do 1:1 $130 for credit card to $130 for BTC due to processing fees from the payment processor
c) He was clearly instructed that we would only pay out in BTC via buying rate, but he keeps cutting up screenshots to fit his own narrative (did this twice, not only with Barney's message, but also Leon's message in staff members' dms)
d) He was offered a solution: Take 240.7M GP that Leon bought for $130(you were in the ticket, knew the rate, and were okay with it clearly), send us back the $106 in BTC and let's go our own way.
e) It doesn't concern him that Leon bought the gp from us for 0.54 per mill. It should never concern him, because his trade is 07GP for acc, not leon's credit card swap to btc. Leon buying gp to buy the account has nothing to do with him.

Even in his own post, Mark shows: Leon clearly states $130 worth of GP, not 130 USD flat(just a reminder: he is free to exchange the 240.7M Leon bought from us with $130 for the $106 BTC we sent him for those mills (that HE ASKED for the ''equivalent of, as he was going to sell the gold anyway) at any point in time):

 

Do you mind not doxing me? thanks bro.

 

Great response! Where did I dox you again?

 

When did I make threats again?



And when did I offer to sell you gold at a .44 rate? I agreed to sell it at a .54 rate.

Let's focus on this:


I had clearly stated equivalent funds, not any other rate that was never mentioned to me ANYTIME during the trade. If there was any revaluing of the $130 shouldn't that be made aware to me?

I said I would sell the gold if I were to take the gold, I never said I was going to sell it to you.

When your guy tells me the "btc gold buying price" you should have clarified it wasn't the 'gold buying price' from when leon had purchased the gold. I was under impression I was $130 worth of gold, not $106 that was sent to me.

There was no clarification that there was going to be any other rate, nor had I agreed to anything other the equivalent trade. I was never told any other rate, other than the fact your guy had agreed to send equivalent funds, not devalued funds.

What your other admin said doesn't change this.

a) Us selling gold to Leon has nothing to do with him - Leon came to us for a middleman trade for GP to OSRS acc

Except the gold sold to leon was the value of the MM Trade. you knew that, now you're trying to devalue the gold in order to turn a profit on the MM, which you advertise for free.

b) Him being told that we'll pay in BTC via gold buying price which is NOT 0.44

I was told equivalent funds, the buying rate of what leon was given. you should have told me it's not equivalent, or more clearly tell me it's a .44 rate

c)Him mentioning ''I'm going to sell the gold anyway", well good? Take the gold then. I'll give you the 240.7M Leon bought from us, give us back the $106 BTC we sent you, and go sell it anywhere else? What do you expect?

Only if you promise to rebuy the gold at .54 as what you originally had valued it to begin with

a) We sold gold to Leon at 0.54, because it is a credit card purchase, which means if he CHARGES BACK the $130 he sent us, it's our business suffering, not Arnold?

Maybe you shouldn't offer to sell gold to people for CC purchases? That's a risk you're taking, not anything to do with me. Am I liable for the $20 worth of gold he bought for himself too?

b) It is virtually impossible to do 1:1 $130 for credit card to $130 for BTC due to processing fees from the payment processor

Why didn't you say so?

c) He was clearly instructed that we would only pay out in BTC via buying rate, but he keeps cutting up screenshots to fit his own narrative (did this twice, not only with Barney's message, but also Leon's message in staff members' dms)

No, I was under impression the rate was the same. as was confirmed from your admin, and then double confirmed by your second admin.

d) He was offered a solution: Take 240.7M GP that Leon bought for $130(you were in the ticket, knew the rate, and were okay with it clearly), send us back the $106 in BTC and let's go our own way.

or you could have done a proper MM and gave what was given to you. you were given $130 for the MM and decided to give me less than what was given to you in order to take a cut for yourself.

e) It doesn't concern him that Leon bought the gp from us for 0.54 per mill. It should never concern him, because his trade is 07GP for acc, not leon's credit card swap to btc. Leon buying gp to buy the account has nothing to do with him.

It concerns me when the value of that gold should remain the same value, you just want to devalue it in order to give me less. you gave "gold" at the value of .54, and you gave me the same gold at a value of .44.

 

You just literally said the same thing that already has been answered 1000 times over and over.

Simple solution: Take the gp that leon bought for $130 from us, send us back the btc we gave you for that gp and lets go our separate ways? You get your promised 130 usd worth of gp, we get back our btc - everyones happy.

“mod agreed with me, dont tarnish your name, enjoy the twc, youre slimey, business going bad” is definitey not the definition of harassment/threatening. Especially the first part. Or the constant threatening with a scam report.

What rate or method I sold gold has nothing to do with you, you offered the equivalent of that gold in btc, we told you - only at a buying price.

“staff member confused me! i didnt know which price!!” then why didnt you ask there and then? Why did u not clarify if it was confusing, before the trade happened?

Why didnt you, at any point ask about it during the mm’img, EVEN Leon told u “130 worth of usd in gp” and you didnt bother to ask how much is it?

Why bs the narrative with cut up screenshots instead of asking for your gold back?

Send back the Btc you received, I will hand you the gold (240.7m) that Leon bought for 130 usd, and we will have a square trade. “osrs account for 07 gp” as described in the mm request by @FatalBlow.

 

I was never given 130 usd for a mm.

This is your misconception, that you refuse to see.

MM was for osrs acc -> 07gp.

Gold trade was = 240.7m for 130 usd

TWO SEPARATE transactions.

Lets take it to a PRIMATE level, since you cleary do not possess thr mental capacity of an adult or refuse to:

if you stopped using reptile brain and thought for a sec: well, somebody is taking 130 usd credit card, a chargebackable method, taking a 6% or whatever fee on themselves by the payment processor, risking THEIR OWN capital - im definitely getting 130 usd btc - a non chargebackable method w no fees associated, by a FREE service provider on a service THAT is supposed to be 07 gp for osrs account.

How does that make even 1% logical sense?

Or does this sound more logical:
There is an agreement for 07 gp for osrs acc, my buyer buys the gold from a middleman, separate transaction, right? he buys 240.7m for 130 usd(out of which i think middlemqn receives 123 usd or something) while taking on a risk of a chargeback. Acc trade happens - middleman now has 240.7m of your gold. You literally say “can i get equivalent of btc since i was gonna sell the gold anyway”, and you end up getting btc for a gold buying price BECAUSE THE STAFF MEMBER DOING THE TRADE EVEN TOLD YOU that you will be getting it at BUYING rate if you wish to do so.

Ur unhappy with the amount? ok, please send back the 106 btc and we will hand you 240m back. There you go, you have the original trade 07 gp for acc.

Which scenario sounds like a normal, logical scenario and which one sounds batsh/t insane? Dont even answer that, I wont be discussing it with you further - you refuse to even see anything past your nose, let the logic be answered by sythe mods and admins.

 

>What rate or method I sold gold has nothing to do with you, you offered the equivalent of that gold in btc, we told you - only at a buying price.

Well that's not entirely true. The gold you sold was to put a value for $130 that was going to be sent to me. You putting a value of gold for $130 is supposed to be confirmed by both parties, correct? you're MMing the value of something between 2 parties. That's something you're clearly neglecting.

It'll NEVER be worth $130 to me. That's why I said to give me a BTC EQUIVALENT, because I know it's not worth $130 at a rate of .54/M. I only agreed to the MM if it was equivalent exchange for BTC. Which your admin agreed, and when your admin says "buying rate" that sounded like a double confirmation.

 

Then just ask the admin what he means by “buying rate”????

Once again - use logic, example shown above.

and lastly: no it does not, because your was 07gp for acc, as clearly outlined in the mm request, not gp for usd

 

>I was never given 130 usd for a mm.

You were paid $150. $20 for himself, and $130 to me.

You valued the gold higher for once it was "sold", but lower for once it was "bought" back.

Shouldn't you consult the guy you're valuing something for his $130? or that didn't cross your mind?

 

Okay simple logic:

MM was for osrs acc -> 07gp

**you decided the amount of osrs GP for my $130**

240.7m for 130 usd - my $130 shouldn't be priced at 240.7m you never consulted me.

 

How much gp you were expecting out of this 130 is brtween you and Leon, we were never informed about usd and you even being related.

07gp for an acc was the request of mm. Him buying gp or how much he was buying for himself or you, is none of my business. He bought gp he was intending to use for this acc trade, thats the end of that. if youre unhappy with how much i bought the gold from you at, we can gove you the 240m back for our $106 back

 

>How much gp you were expecting out of this 130 is brtween you and Leon, we were never informed about usd and you even being related.

No, it's between me, you, and leon. If you're going to MM For an account sale, and you're providing holding of the funds, and sale of the funds it has to be agreed upon by all parties. you never consulted me on what the the value of the gold was going to be. which you were informed in the beginning that it was for a MM. That was the ticket open, and then he asked to buy gold.

>07gp for an acc was the request of mm. Him buying gp or how much he was buying for himself or you, is none of my business.

How is it none of your business? You're MMing the trade and putting a value on his $130, that's supposed to go to me. If I don't agree with your evaluated value of his $130 I'm not going to accept it. That's why I wanted BTC for it.

You clearly know what you're doing, you're going to devalue his $130 and value it for $106 for me. You're sick.

 

I'll take 295m once I pay you the $106, you should have no problem giving me this $130 worth of gold (295x.44) since you still hold the $24 difference.

 

I just want to say a few more things that I think are important

Let's not lose sight of what a middleman is: A person who helps two people to trade with
and communicate with each other.

I'm selling the account for $130. not $106. He paid me $106, when he was given $130 for the MM.

League knows very well that he should consult with the person
that's getting the $130, even more since the value of that $130 is being revalued to
another type currency. He only consulted with 1 party, not 2. His role of a MM should be to
consult with both people. He Never did that.

Even so, let's say hypotheically say the gold could be valued at .80,
it wouldn't matter to me since it was going to be BTC equivalent. A MM value of the gold would be
.80 both ways since he's holding it as a MM, not as a merchant.

It's clear as day he's not being a MM, he's operating as a merchant. trying to revalue the gold
both ways in order to take the difference. I personally think this is dishonest, and disgusting.

Also 2 things:

1. I didn't care the rate was .54, I knew it was .54 but I had thought it was irrelevant since I
believed it was going to be sent equivalent to the $130 via BTC
(he was given $130 to hold, and he would send me $130, not $106)


2. Someone is walking away with $24 from $130 they're "Holding" when they're MMing for free.
Are they really a MM when they're deliberately revaluing what's being held in order
to take a difference.

 

You're literally ignoring the most important part and that's disgusting.

we were NEVER given $130 to hold. There was never $130 you were supposed to be receiving. This is how the trade was explained to us by you guys:


Stop trying to make it seem like us selling gp to Leon and your MM request was the same thing, it was not.

As stated here, clearly:

Staff member: What's the trade?
Customer requesting it: It's for an OSRS account
Staff member: What payment method?
Customer requesting it: 07 GP

SEPARATE TRANSACTION, NOT INVOLVING YOU:

Customer: I was thinking I could buy 07 gp from you, and then we can do the account transaction.



At no point in time we were given $130 to hold.


How does it make ANY logical sense, that we take $130 via credit card, pay payment processing fee, risk chargeback on us, to give you $130 BTC.

No, we sold gold for $130 for your trade. You were entitled to a 240.7M that Leon gained from us. And then you literally asked for BTC equivalent of it because you were going to sell it anyway, and got it? If you're unsatisfied take the mills!

Let's pretend we didn't send you BTC, and gave you 240.7M that Leon bought with $130, would that be ok? Because the trade is for 07gp for an acc, you knew the amounts and saw the rates and were ok with it? Then take the damn mills and send us back the BTC.

Why didn't you ever say: I want more than 240.7M? How did you NOT discuss this with your trade partner.


We're acting as a merchant in a completley separate transaction, not related to your MM service. Which is selling gold to use to buy YOUR account. This is NOT the same transaction.

 

League knows very well that he should consult with the person
that's getting the $130, even more since the value of that $130 is being revalued to
another type currency. He only consulted with 1 party, not 2. His role of a MM should be to
consult with both people. He Never did that.


You were literally in the ticket, and never said anything about value, even when explained you were getting WORTH of gp, you said ''okay''? Consult what bro?


The alternative scenario was this: Leon buys gold off alch at 0.565 post fees, gets 230M. What were you going to do then? Where you going to say alch is scamming you? Just explain to me, what was the trade gonna be then, if he bought 230M off alch like he was planning to? Were you expecting for us to take 230M from alch and send you $130?

So what difference is: him buying gold off us for a BETTER rate, or him getting elsewhere, then coming to make a transaction. Why are you trying to make this into a ''he was given $130 to hold''

Just answer this: how do you imagine it going if he bought it from alch and then we had 230M for this transaction. Would you expect $130 in BTC? No, you wouldn't. So now, if you're unhyappy with how much BTC you got - FEEL FREE TO GIVE BACK THE BTC AND TAKE THE GOLD.


Your only problem is that Leon bought gold from us, which shouldn't concern you as that's a separate transaction. If he ended up buying from alch like he was planning, you would have 230M right about now. You were never, ever getting $130 BTC out of this transaction, there was never a discussion about $130 BTC from the get go, EVER. If you expected, that him buying gold off another merchant means, we, the middleman will send you BTC for $130 ??

Here's, Leon thinking to buy from Alch at 0.562 rate, in which he would've gotten 230M for $130, if that happens, do you, or any sythe mods/admins think WE, the middleman should've kept 230M and sent $130 in BTC to Mark? No, obviously not.

Now how is it different from this: He buys the gold off rProServices, now he has 240M, you request BTC for it, and you expect us to send you $130 BTC? Why are you trying to make it seem like $130 was given to us to hold for this transaction? Leon bought gold, you sold him the acc, now the gold belongs to you, since you said you wanted BTC equivalent and were CLEARLY told about getting it buying price, not selling price, you got 240.7x0.44 in BTC. Unhappy with that? Cool, take back the 240M, and give me my BTC back. Problem solved.

Don't treat transaction between rProServices and Leon when he's buying gold as the same transaction where you were asking for a middleman.

TWO.
SEPARATE.
TRANSACTIONS.

 

You're not arguing anything else. Their can be two transactions, but these transactions are in context to a MM service. Meaning, you know very well "the value of $130" is going to be handed to the other party. This isn't only a you and leon transaction. it's stated in the opening sentence. The transaction is a MM service with an additional gold transaction to supply that one. The ticket opened was a MM ticket. The first line stated is:




Followed by:



If you know the $130 is going to the other party, shouldn't you consult the other party about what the rate you're going to put for the $130? The first thing he tells you is that it's a MM service. He then says the $130 is for the account trade. But you still think this transaction has nothing to do with me? Don't be disingenuous.

At this point: I didn't care what the rate of gold was, since I thought, (and confirmed twice by your staff) that I was going to be given equivalent BTC to the funds you were given. THIS WAS BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE GOLD. If I thought differently, there's no way in hell I'd accept your rate. Do you think I'm going to sit there and watch you sell gold for .54 with my $130, and just hand you that same gold back to you for .44 a second later?

If you really think this "$130 worth of gp" is worth $130, why is it now worth $106 now? Explain it in simple terms for me. It seems to me you're not middlemanning something worth $130 between 2 people, it seems to me you're merching 2 people.

You're capable of doing a magicians act and turning "the value of $130 worth of gold" into $106 worth of gold.
When you're holding the gold does the value change higher when you're giving it to leon, and then lower if I give it back to you?
How does that work? It's no longer valued at $130, right?

Your Job as a MM is to hold whatever the value of something is, not selling it higher, and then buying it for cheaper. That's called merching, not middlemanning.