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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    Link the current Sythe account: @Zuzel111 @PartyPeteShop @RSGoldMine Bumper @Ruben Eason @Sparta RS
    Which violation you are reporting the user for: Market Manipulation
    • Market Manipulation: This is a blanket term for rule-breaking that is done in order to gain an unfair market advantage, most commonly broken when a user/business runs multiple threads in a market subsection. Punishment varies based on the severity of the offense.
    Why you think they're violating Sythe rules:

    zuzel/sparta.rs has been bumping their thread within the 07 WTS section, however they don't sell any 07 gold on their site, they only link to either partypeteshop or to rsgoldmine depending on what 07 gold button you click on their website. effectively partypeteshop and rsgoldmine just have multiple active threads in the 07 wts section.

    thread: [$400 Donor] Zuzel111's > Sparta.rs < 07 OSRS Gold & Fire capes ⭐ [3000+ Vouches] [Paypal/BTC/Card] | Sell & Trade Game Items | OSRS Gold | ELO (sythe.org)


    if you navigate to their site and click on the 'buy osrs gold' button on the navigation bar, as directed to do so in their selling thread it will link you to:
    OSRS Gold | Buy OSRS GP, Old School Runescape Gold (partypeteshop.com)
    this is not just a home page url link to partypete shop, this is a referral link designated specifically for sparta.rs


    if you navigate to their site and instead of using the 'buy osrs gold' navigation button, you use the 'buy osrs gold' clickable image on their homepage it will link you to:

    Buy OSRS Gold | OSRS Gold for Sale | Cheap OSRS Gold (rsgoldmine.com)
    once again this is a sparta.rs specific referral link


    While i've got no issues with affiliate marketing, especially given how the entire site besides the fire capes is all just referral links or I guess possible partnerships, it's a problem specifically with these ones because they are each (party pete and rsgoldmine) bumping active threads in the gold selling section and so is sparta.rs.

    this is effectively just giving partypeteshop and rsgoldmine both 2 market threads in the wts 07 section. Sparta.rs created their thread in 2016 and it only has 40 pages so clearly it hasn't been being bumped continuously since then. That said the thread has now been being bumped consistently since october of 2020 all the way up to current date. Given sparta.rs seems to have no visible on-site functionality for selling gold currently, it seems obvious that when they began bumping their selling 07 thread again in October 2020 it was with the knowing intent to increase their referral link usages.

    whether or not partypeteshop and rsgoldmine were aware of the fact that sparta.rs was actively bumping their(sparta.rs) 07 sythe thread while advertising their(pete+goldmine) respective referral links is beyond the scope of the information provided here.
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    Staff is discussing this.
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    I hope that you didn't miss the fact I sell my own gold on playerauctions and other websites aswell for not-reverseable payment methods only and that is not releated to Partypeteshop at all and sparta.rs is used for it. Sparta.rs focuses mainly on Fire cape service, however it doesn't mean we as business don't sell any gold at all. Sparta.rs is not gold reselling shop, it has it's own stock from capes, but not from re-selling it, we cover the demand for GP from our service just from fire cape payments, so to use fully our potential we share our channels of acquiring customers with other shops, sharing doesn't mean monopolising it or completely rent out - we still sell GP ourselves mostly to our Polish customers.
    Sparta.rs alone would not cover the entire demand for RSGP purchases, so it's a must either to completely resign from selling gp or to share our potetntial with someone who can cover demand of all our customers, not just the ones who ask for possibility of buying GP directly from us.
    Since RSGP sales is not our main service, that thread is bumped just twice per 24 hours (instead of 1 bump per 5hrs like we do for fire capes).
    Rsgoldmine doesn't have any advertisement on sparta.rs so you are not up to date with your information.

    Screenies language: Polish
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    Just screenie from just bank for RSGP purchases directly from sparta.rs via chat so yeah, there's paid advertisement for Partypeteshop on my website, however RSGP sales to my own customers that want to buy GP via Bank transfer - mediated or not mediated happen literally everyday, mostly to our Polish customers and people who ask for Playerauctions / Allegro (Polish mediation store) offers.
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    "Rsgoldmine doesn't have any advertisement on sparta.rs so you are not up to date with your information."

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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    I appreciate that you sell your own gold on player auctions and maybe many other sites, but I don't use any of those sites nor do I use playerauctions and i'm not reporting a violation on any of those sites. I use sythe and I'm not just reporting you i'm reporting specefically your 07 selling thread on sythe, which as you may realise, does not advertise your playerauction page.
    your sythe thread says:

    "You can place an order any time via going to www.sparta.rs and checking "Buy osrs gold" tab."


    and I think we know where that leads us
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    Thanks, I'll fix it shortly as rsgoldmine is not partnering with us at the moment
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    Quote directly from first line of my thread on Sythe.org
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    so I can advertise partnered gold shops while they also maintain an active wts thread? I don't understand what that means
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    then every single service provider would just offer a 'partnered' gold shop thread and they would all link to alch.com or some non-sense like that, this clearly breaks the principles established by the market rules to some degree
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    If you sell gold yourself I dont see any reason why not, it wouldnt be fair to redirect customers directly from sythe.org thread tho as it'd break the rule about 1 thread per one shop. As I explained above, sparta.rs has its own gp sales thread and buy osrs gold link to spread the demand between us and big shop, demand that is also covered directly by sparta.rs
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    I mean you say it wouldn't be fair to redirect customers to another shop directly from your thread. however as I explained any user that follows the directions in your thread

    "You can place an order any time via going to www.sparta.rs and checking "Buy osrs gold" tab."

    will be linked to partypeteshop.

    This is the main method/directions you list for purchasing gold. Given that is the case, whether or not it's a 'direct link' from the thread is really a semantical argument because for all intents and purposes users following the directions will end up directly linked to partypeteshop.
     
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    not to mention if what you are doing was allowed I could just open a separate second gold selling entity and then open a new thread and then link back to my original entity as a 'gold selling partner' right on the discord server/site linked on the new second thread. and 'spread the demand' as you say
     
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    sparta.rs + party pete shop + rsgoldmine - 07 selling threads market manipulation

    as I said, RSGP sales is not our main service so we won't make public option to order GP directly from us so main method will be always the shop that is partnering with us. Only those who really want to buy it directly from us are given opportunity to do it via playerauctions / allegro / international bank transfer and sales like that are handled everyday by us.
    Update: Rsgoldmine link has been removed
     
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    hi i've reached out to you @Zuzel111 on discord, my discord is listed to the right for confirmation
     
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    Staff believe this is more of a false advertisement. @Zuzel111 / @Sparta RS if you have an open gold thread, you must buy/sell the gold yourself. The link on your website currently relinks to another website, therefor giving that website an unfair advantage. Though these websites may not have known of this redirect so we can't punish them for it. Your website was the only one to have had redirect links to another website, the other users did not have a redirect to your fire cape service that I could find. The reason why this is a 'big' deal, is because you own threads advertising that you buy/sell gold though they redirect to another website, if these websites were to scam quit, or a customer had an issue it would fall on you because you brought them to that website. The overall agreement was that this ban should be longer, but I have my big boy pants on so i'm only going to be banning you both for three days, because I do believe this is somewhat of a misunderstanding, but even with this report open, you guys still decided to keep bumping those threads. Lastly, I will be locking your gold threads, if you want them reopened please feel free to report the threads if your going to buy/sell gold yourselves
     
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