User Education Evaluation

Hi der .

Theoretically, the UE team exists because the average Sythe User doesn't have common sense. How does that work? Yes, the ranks are nice, I'm not saying they should be removed. Retitled wouldn't be a bad idea, as it gives less implication that users should go to user educators for knowledge.

Generally, those are just ranks to signify that those people know something. They aren't there to ask them questions regarding the language. Most of them don't even know everything about what their rank holds.

And yes, the rank is generally used to distinguish one user from another. With the general idea that the distinguished one is going to make a brighter, more knowledgeable post than the other.

This is not the case with User Educators, as the information they know is a dab of butter on a whole loaf of bread. My thought has been, and always will be, that the point of the User Education section is to learn something. The rank of User Educator is pointless, as, in general, a majority of the User Educator's don't know shit about the topic they're discussing.

Targeted User Educator Ranks would be more suitable, and then require your educators to show immense knowledge in their field of study. Then it'd make sense. Right now... you've got 30 teachers... who know what? How to change a light bulb with an ipod?

They're rather different. You can have intelligence without having much knowledge. Theoretically, the ability to speak is seen as intelligent. Knowledge is different as it requires intelligence to gain knowledge.

I don't dislike UE =/. I dislike the people who assume they're worthy of teaching others stuff they know little about.

 

If they wanted to know they would have posted.

 

Ok so perhaps a rewording of the title is in order. Did you have a suggestion on a replacement?

I'm intrigued by this statement.

What do you mean by this? Something like field specific ranks for the "Educators"? Such as Math, Language, etc. (Still don't have a term to replace "Educator" with).

 

Indeed, something like 'Math', 'Language' etc would work.

And then consider all those with PHP, vB, etc ranks to be user educators as well, since they're knowledgeable in their area of study.

As for a replacement word, I dunno, I didn't intend to turn this into a suggestion . It started out as an informative post for Straggler >.<.

 

User Education could be divided into specific helpers, such as you said;

Math 'Educator', Language 'Educator', Tech 'Educator', etc.

Part of application process (aside from the guides) each of the users applying should state what educator they are applying for.

Once you are informed that they are applying for _____ , either by you or the whole UE team, a test is made up of that category to prove their intelligence and knowledge of what they are applying for.

 

To be completely honest, this thread would be pointless if we couldn't take something out of it, so why not make the best of it and fix what some people think is wrong with the system. I'm not close minded to suggestions, so seriously, if you have some, tell me. I'm more than understanding and willing to compromise.

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While I like the idea of this, who is going to be the one to determine who is fit for the rank then? Who will make this "competence test"? etc.

I suppose people with enough knowledge in the field to even make the test would already have the rank would they not?



To everyone else, post something worthwhile to help improve the section instead of tearing it down. As I said, I'm all ears.

 

You aren't going to clear your current User Educators, they can be the ones to make the test up.

Ask each one of them to make question, question(s) on what category they know best then you can add to them.

 

Perhaps. I definitely don't intend on removing my team (aside from those that become inactive) however I do like the prospect of having specified educators. Setting up a system like that might be a bit difficult though. As well, getting it approved would be even harder.

Does anyone else have suggestions? Deacon has left the thread Didn't say good bye.

By the way, I've moved this to suggestions, because that's what this turned into. I hope no one minds, if they do, let me know and I might move it back.

 

True, I remember how hard Pen worked to get User Education in the first place, however it may be easier now since there already is the rank.

 

I'd say make the current UE's take the test, and have a few select people who are very smart make the test.

 

And how do we determine who is competent to make the test?

I suppose I could make some of them, more specifically a math test. I did get a 5 on the AP Calculus test this past year >_> (Not to brag, simply qualifying my ability in that area).

 

You're UE's can make the test, as I said before, make them make questions for whatever category they are best in and you can review them to make sure they are appropriate enough for the requirements that you may set and if you want to add your own question/question(s) in, you can.

 

Math 'Educator' - You

Language 'Educator' - There are a few grammar people can't think of names at the moment though

Tech 'Educator' - The lovely programming mods, and other mods. They should know quite a bit.

 

My opinion is mixed. I think we do need to have the user education system. But dumbasses should not be accepted. There was a guy writing a guide on how to switch sugar with salt ffs. There needs to be less biased opinions on the user education members.

 

If you think the guides are incomplete or useless, then do not read them. The guides were not written for you. People write these guides in attempt to teach others new things. Get over it.

 

ecoming UE doesn't ultmately make you trusted. It just shows that you help the community.

 

I didn't say that it would make you trusted, I said it would be very misleading to new members. And they would believe that you were trusted.

 

Yea your right on that point. But thats why user educater's can educate them that its a helping rank, not a trustful rank.

 

If you believe that the ranks are the only motivation for us to write guides, why do you think some of us still write guides even after we have received the rank?

 

I've thought about this before, and I don't think there should be a User Education team; they're all dip-shits, accept for a few. There is one flaw with the voting system... and that is, it's too easy for a random person to join the team. All you have to do is pretend you're active in the section for like 2 weeks, and it's a free rank - better chance of scam. There should be a more advanced way to pick a select few to join the team. Or, better yet. Not have a team at all! Just have Head User Educators or Moderators to keep the section clean. So, I support this I guess Deacon.