The Existence of God

I personally do not believe in god, I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution which makes a shitload more sense

 

There is no God. Lets brief it up:

Existence is a relatively simple concept -- it is defined as that which consists of either matter or energy. Therefore if a god exists, it must be composed of either matter or energy.

The opposite must also be true. If a god is not composed of matter or energy, then that god, by definition, does not exist. Thus to argue that a god exist, despite a total absence of matter or energy, is to argue, existence equals non-existence, which is a complete contradiction.


since "existence" is defined as that which is composed of matter or energy, the proof of existence must be some evidence of that matter or energy.
Evidence is defined as that which impacts our physical senses in some manner, either directly, or through some translating device such as a spectrograph or an oscilloscope. Since our sensory organs are designed to perceive the effects of matter and energy, it is through the evidence of the senses that we can determine the existence or nonexistence of things.

If a god exists, then sensual evidence of some sort is required to determine the existence of that god. If a god is not made up of matter or energy, then that god does not exist, since that which is not composed of matter or energy -- does not exist. If a god is made up of matter and energy, then it is subject to physical laws

Since it is bound by physical laws, miracles are impossible, because miracles are, by definition, violations of physical laws. Likewise, a god cannot be all knowing and all-powerful, since both attributes would violate the basic tenets of physical laws. All knowing would require instantaneous knowledge of all matter, past, present and future, which is clearly impossible, while all powerful would require the ability to break the bounds of physical laws, which brings us back to the realm of nonexistence.

If a god is subject to physical laws, then praying to a god makes about as much sense as worshiping a black hole. There is no God.


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Assumption by personal definition.

See above.

Proof not equal to possible existence.

Yet another "Assumption by personal definition."

Not true.

From a rationality standpoint, yes. From a physically existent standpoint, no.

A mountain of flaws lead to this conclusion, which I do agree with. Means do not equal end.

Your not nearly as intelligent as Shredderbeam, or for that matter, this phrase. But nice try,

 

By the banner in my sig, I believe so God exists

 

Would you care to enlighten the rest of us on why you do?

 

I don't believe in imaginary friends or fairies or w.e so no I do not believe in a imaginary thing that supposedly created all lmao. Doesn't it make you laugh just thinking of that haha.

 

I cannot say either way for sure, although I assume a god does not exist.

 

I am not ignorant and/or mislead enough to devote my life to a religion- as i absolutely despise the concept of it, however i am not ignorant enough to deny the idea of a 'god' like figure. If the universe is infinite who am i to make a judgment call on what and what does not exist/govern us? I think if there were in fact a higher power, human beings would not be able to compute this because it would be too much an equation for us to fathom.

In the end, i can relate to Atheism more so than any religion, and i do believe that religion causes much of the grief, destruction, and obvious discrimination in this world. The Bible (in all of its forms) is the equivalent of the Big Brother icon in George Orwell's 'Nineteen Eighty-Four' , it exists solely to strike fear in the heart of mankind- to prevent taboo enlightenment and confine each and every individual by exploiting off of their oblivious mentality that has been bred into most families after hundreds of years of ongoing tradition and devotion.

If you are raised under religion, it is implausible that you would convert to agnosticism, or atheism- and vice versa. I grew up in a liberal household, i was exposed to all ideas and taught to think outside the box, hence i as an individual now am not restricted to a lust for religion. In the end your beliefs are ultimately affected by how you were raised in my opinion.

Long story short, i am agnostic but can empathize with atheism and wouldn't feel any remorse burning a church down.

 

In my Life, I've noticed that most of the Atheists in the world are either people who play intheir computer all day, stay home all day or People who got their asses kicked.

And for people who don't beleive in God.
Please tell me your Story on how you think the World was created, because I would love to know.

 

That's a pretty biased opinion on your behalf, wouldn't you say? How many people have you interacted with in the real world, debating about religion? Judging by the fact that you're religious, im going to assume a lot of your social life revolves around church.... so i guess you could say that you haven't conversed with many people beyond that.
Forget religion for now, what evidence have you collected to prove that most atheists spend time on their computer 24/7? You're also saying that most non-believers have been physically harmed? That is outrageous, and unless you are totally sheltered and fucked up i know that YOU know you're full of shit.
Religion today is dieing, drastically i may add. Documentaries and other mediums are being exposed to the public frequently, take Bill Maher's 'Religulous' documentary for instance... bringing him to instant fame for better or worse. Who are you too group non-believers under these blatant stereotypes? I could say the same for you... if i was to guess, you're a racist god fearing homophobic suburban prick born in rural Texas that likes Counterstrike and golf.... am i right? Save your nationalistic facade for another site.... try jesuslovesyou.com , im sure they can relate with you there.

You want me to tell you the STORY of how the world was created? Read the bible, thats a cute story. If you want to learn how the world actually came to be, pay attention in science class you dumb fucking louse.

 

If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as follows:

He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in cosmos (Laplace's "World Spirit").

He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping is no god.

He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can't do, he certainly is not omnipotent.

He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced. But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.

He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?

 

I beleieve there is a higher-self. Whether or not this is classified as a "god" or not, I am not sure. But I an confident in knowing that there is something biggert than us, and I mean spiritually. You will receive, if you beleive.

 

why dont you tell us your story, unless your willing to say our god get a better argument

 

Yeah, I don't think there is a god. I don't understand how a god all knowing and perfect would make is so such diseases as cancer could develop.

 

I can't say for sure, because humans can not know if a god does or does not exist

 

No, because nobody has proven that any "gods" exist.

 

Your argument is ad hominem and therefore void in this debate.

 

Generally, any 'spiritual being' credited with the creation of things is a God.

Let's look at this debate from the view that humanity knows and accepts that there is a God. If humanity hated that God, then generally, that God would not be worth our worship. In this scenario, is that God still a God?

Omnipotence does not define a God. In other words, you don't have to be omnipotent to be a God.

You're speaking off of a mainstream version of the concept of a God. Christain, ect.

I see no reason why a God cannot be good or evil. Assuming the existence of any God, the fact remains that it IS indeed a God. One who's choosing has priority over many, many things. A god can be whatever it wishes to be, which includes good and evil.

 

If you believe in God and then he doesn't exist no harm no foul, but if you don't believe in God and he does exist, your fucked!

 

Not only did you ignore the question that centers around the entire point of the thread, but that post was extremely useless.

How, again, would you be "fucked" if you didn't believe in God and it existed?