Should homosexuals have the right to get married?

Government shouldn't have a say in what people do (within reason), like most posters on here said. The reason they do ( I think) is marriage license are sanctioned by the government.

I am appalled at the number of people who voted "no". I was hoping Sythe was more mature than that. :|

 

And that's precisely why I don't think the government should have any role in deciding marriages at all Viper. However, if the government is going to involve itself, I can't think of many good reasons why it excludes what may be near 10% of the population.

 

I'm going to try to lay out what I see as being indisputable facts, then what I think.

Facts

• Marriage is exclusive to religion. There is no "personal interpretation" of marriage; it is created and defined as being the bonding of a man and woman, with restrictions placed upon this bond. Therefore homosexuals cannot be truly married ever, regardless of legality.
• You cannot 'chose' to be gay. The majority of people are heterosexual because it is in their DNA. Being gay is the result of a genetic mutation which forces the person to be attracted to men. However, you can choose to be bisexual.
• People here are seeing gay, and immediately assuming that gay means men. Gay applies to all forms of homosexual marriage, although lesbian only applies to women. It's also interesting to note that lesbian women are generally not as frowned upon as gay men.

Theorycrafting

Now a lot of people on this thread have stated points such as, "It's their choice, everyone should be allowed" etc. Now while you may believe this, its not necessarily true. Even though I'm a devout loather of religion, marriage is still exclusive to the Church. A separate form of union should be created for the non-religious. Not just for gay persons, because that singles them out and does not allow them the same 'perks' so to speak.

Its unfair to immediately judge someone because of their sexuality. While I may be uncomfortable with a gay person initially, that is usually instinct after several minutes you realize, "Hey, this is just another person. He/she cannot help being homosexual, and its unfair of me to judge their character based on sexual preference."

Some men are uncomfortable with gay men because they're always thinking "He might be checking me out or something." Well the same is true when you are with women for starters. Secondly, even if he is checking you out, he's probably aware of your sexuality and is smart enough never to try anything with you if he values your friendship. Once again, the same is true with a friendship between a man and a woman. You may have some fantasy or thought about her once and a while, but if she's a real friend you'd never put your friendship on the line.

The single most important thing to remember is that everyone sees through two eyes. While you experience the world, there are 7 billion others that have the same first-person experience. Therefore you must be mindful that you could have been born homosexual, and that their feelings are exactly the same with the exception of sexual preference.

 

The likeliness that corruption would happend between two men is just the same as it is between a woman and a man. It's really nothing more than an excuse to discriminate. Jim Crow would just love you if this topic was on blacks rather than homosexuals.

 

Viper,

Establishment clause means separation of church and state. Marriage IS a part of state law, therefore this over-used argument is flawed. A church can refuse to recognize marriages but such will not apply legally. You can't join the Eagle Scouts if you are homosexual because they are a private organization. I 100% respect their rights to do so.

Secondly, the "marriage used as corruption" argument is just a crapshoot. The states that have legalized such marriage have not seen in exorbitant increase in marriage fraud.

Cheers

 

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  Your facts, quite frankly, are a load of shit.
  
  Law is exclusive to law. A marriage "exclusive" to religion would still be up to interpretation, given the numerous existing religions. Homosexuality has a weak genetic correlation, the current theory is an environmental factor during the womb.
  
  It's arrogant to suggest that the Church owns anything in the government.

 

I did not suggest either. The Church does not have to own anything in the government to place restrictions on ceremonial happenings exclusive to that cult. By being gay and being religious, you consented to sacrificing your right to be married by joining (assuming homosexuality is against the creed of the religion).

I also did not say it had anything to do with hereditary genetics, which is obvious, because if you had gay parents you would be an adopted child. Learn to read and analyze data provided before commenting.

 

i agree 100% with that

 

A church can choose to exclude it's own ceremonial happenings however it wishes. However, the law must abide by several factors to consider the legality of it, non of which can violate the establishment clause. Legal marriage is NOT brought about by the church, any non-religious couple may still choose to get married without a "ceremonial happening"

, which is obvious, because if you had gay parents you would be an adopted child. Learn to read and analyze data provided before commenting.[/QUOTE]

I never mentioned anything about gay heredity either. Genetic correlation is the study of gene, or groups of genes in comparison to a hypothesized genetic factor.

But since you brought it up, you chose to be an idiot by demonstrating a clear lack of knowledge of how genetics work. Genetics always refers to hereditary genetics, as your genes are always a genetic mix between parents.

If a gay father and lesbian mother were to have children, the children would NOT be necessarily homosexual in ANY given condition, even if homosexuality had a proven genetic cause. Each allele may be composed of multiple genes, each gene can be activated in different manners, and each allele could depend on the dominance of the other alleles before it.

If you haven't taken a course in molecular genetics as I have, I don't blame you. But don't go around posting bull shit like that.

 

I think its disgusting when i see homosexual people kissing or showing affection in public areas. I think they should not be allowed to get married to other homoseuxals, and i hope its banned. Its just sick.

THIS POST RECEIVED AN INFRACTION FOR SPAMMING.

 

Every one has the right of freedom of religion, therefore you should be able to practice any religion, and be married to any individually, The State should just recognize it as civil union.

 

People like you are disgusting.

According to this logic, we should just prohibit the marriages of ANY couple that you find unpleasant.

 

Well in the bible they forbid it, so I dont see why it should be any different in our days.

 

I know you're trolling, but still. The bible was written thousands of years ago in a different time.

 

Indeed. Things change. Polygamy is no longer accepted, and gay marriage needs to be accepted.

Although I think it is immoral, you cannot tell people how to feel. It's against my beliefs.

Gay marriage should be allowed, however gays adopting is another thing; I think it causes emotional damage to the child.

 

Simple answer.. Yes. All human beings deserve equal rights.

 

Should they have the right to? Absolutely.

Do I understand why they want to have anything to do with people who worship a book that says they should be killed? No.

 

Do you know of any data suggesting that it causes emotional damage to children? You think it's better for children to stay in the machine until they're spitted out at 18? Do you know what that's like? Would you like to guess the emotional damage inflicted on them in there? No, instead of them being placed in potential loving homes people like you would rather they rot themselves in the cold hands of an orphanage.

Also, I see no reason why polygamy should be disallowed.

 

NO - Only girls

bahah, nahh i dont really care.

 

LOL!
I think No.
Look's pretty idiot'ing.