The Existence of God

So you wouldn't have a feeling of purpose or accomplishment if you lived your life being a good person and helping others unless there was an ultimate reward?

Think about what a bad lesson that is teaching you.

 

go look at my post on the previous page.

 

god exist he love all

 

No, that's not necessarily what I'm saying. Everyone feels good when they give someone else happiness. I'm saying that their is a sense of security, a sense of someone being there backing you up, like a dad cheering you on for example. When you're about to die, would you rather die thinking you're going to rot in the soil or die knowing, believing you will go to heaven?

 

Certainly rather think I'd go to heaven - but we're discussing whether or not God exists, not whether the belief is comforting.

*waits for Swan to say x is comforting does not mean x is true*

 

Well, it's true isn't it? X_X

Edit:

You cannot provide evidence for the non-existence of an entity.

Therefore, your argument is flawed.

Because your argument is flawed to begin with, it holds no sway in a rational debate.

 

How do you know?

If there was nothing to create that afterlife, how could there be an afterlife?

 

No, I wouldn't lie to myself like that. I know what's going to happen. We all do. Think about it realistically, not hopefully.

 

None of these questions are any logical mind-set to even set a limit as to dis-proving a God.
If a God were a God, and if we're both on the subject of ONE supreme ruler, then wouldn't it only be logical that that ruler has always been?

Well, not logical, but make MORE sense that the question implies.. ??

If there were a God, asking why he created us is kind of a default question. Of course, assuming their was one, we wouldn't know the answer, atheist or of any religion.

Ever heard of perfectly imperfect? All of the flaws fitting perfectly into place to imply perfection.

Your logic is flawed.

Back to reality, though. I've posted on this thread earlier, but I suppose I'll do it again.

I do not believe in a higher being. It would be a comforting notion to believe in heaven/hell/God, however, I do not.

Also, for those who do believe in a God, your God is probably referred to as 'A Jealous God'. It only did occur to me once that if a human could get over jealousy, then why couldn't a God?

I've seen humans getting over jealousy in days, so there should be no reason why a God couldn't get over such a simple human emotion in an infinite amount of time.. It's ridiculous.

 

Wow, this thread is still up..
There is no god. Like in adam and eve, why is the tree there? He's god, he can move it? And who were the apples for? The bugs? Oh yeah, no one had to eat anything back there! The bible says god, scientists say evolution. It's already scientiffically proven.
W00t 100 posts

 

Prove your argument. Please do.

 

I .. can't concur. Like what Swan said, you can't prove this argument. What you're doing is like standing behind an entire army, screaming insults to the enemy.

Adam and Eve was never meant to be taken literally. It was a story to explain the creation of man in a way that humans could comprehend.

Apparently, if there was a God, his image of us wasn't smart enough to comprehend any thing higher than a talking snake and a forbidden tree.

 

HEHE

No. God doesn't exist, Imo.

 

Thanks Bill Maher, straight from Religulous?

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..."
Look at in context, being jealous for something that is yours is good and appropriate.
An example, you are married and another man is flirting with your wife; you have a right to be jealous for only he has that right.
Being jealous for something that doesn't belong to you is what is wrong.

 

I've never seen the movie, however it's pretty much a wide, agreeable point, so I don't doubt that it was in the movie. Thanks.

What? That makes no sense. It also doesn't contradict my argument in ANY way. You quote a phrase from your bible, explain what it means, and all of a sudden it fits into the debate? -.-

 

That is almost a direct quote from the movie Religulous, it is a pretty wide point, but it did almost exactly quote Bill Maher. Anyways,

You must have misunderstood me.

Jealousy is a sin when it is a desire for something that does not belong to you.

What God is jealous for belongs to Him; worship, praise, and honor belong to Him, as He is only worthy of it.
God is rightly jealous when these things are given to false idols.

 

To play devil's advocate here, I see some two-faced arguments - one from rationality, one from reality.

Russel's Teapot, etc, are arguments from rationality, not for proving reality. What Russel's Teapot answers is: "How do I know if this belief is rational?"
If you take this argument apart, saying that "x is comforting" is indeed an argument for rationality. Therefore, the conclusion here is that you can't use the argument behind Russel's teapot "To be rational, you must prove it", and then when someone argues against this theorem of rationality, to say "Just because it's comforting, it doesn't mean it's real".

So really, the argument needs to be broken up:
1. Is God real?
Answer: Who knows? But is it rational?
2. Is the belief in God rational?
Answer: Not according to Russel's Teapot or yes it is, because it makes me happy.

 

woah man were talking about god here dont bring the leprachauns into it!!!!

 

The only difference between God and Leprechauns is that people generally stop believing in Leprechauns after childhood.

Of course there's the small stature and pot of gold stuff, but that would totally fuck up my argument, so :noworry:.

 

But if you could chose to know or not know, to be happy or not happy which would you chose? In my mind, knowledge is not always good. I think that knowledge, although most of the time good, is not necessarily a good thing.

I could really care less whether I was right or wrong. I would want to be happy.