America: Obama's Goal of Socialism

What do you think about Obama's comments about moving to a socialist America when he was over in Europe?

Are you against his blatant goal of socialism?

Do you think Obama's goal is truly socialism, or is he just misconceived?


He claimed he wasn't a socialist but now he goes to Europe and starts preaching about how America needs to emulate Europe in terms of the governmental status. He basically disgraced Americans in his speech and proved that his sights are set on a leftist America. He calls Americans arrogant and speaks of how we need to act like Europeans when we have done mass amounts for them, but frankly Europe didn't do shit for us.

Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7_mrU2ct5o

 

I like his ideas. Socialist is not bad after all. And Europe has done for us.

I totally agree with him. I support.

 

1. He has good intentions; I will give him that. I see what he is trying to do, but, he is going about it incorrectly. I would be lying if I said I knew what was going on in Washington. Normally, I would say that you shouldn't critique others unless you have a better suggestion, but, he is supposedly working for US.

2. Some of the worst ideas in history started out with the best intentions. (I heard that in like, Jurassic Park or something, but it fits :- P)

 

obama is a halfrican, and he needs to be assassinated " world bank " thats the DUMBEST idea you could think of, i mean some on now, and he wants to change it to socialism? how about we leave the America alone and we get through the recession and quit buying foreign goods, that would fix our economy problem also, my feels toward obama is hes a sad excuse as a nations leader.

 

Are we watching the same speech? He doesn't say anything about emulating the EU. He states the obvious about anti-Americanism and Americentrism. What he's talking about has nothing to do with emulating leftist Europe.

www.metaexistence.org/Fact_Sheet_Europe_FINAL.pdf

Where?

 

lol

Absolute Socialism (socialist variants have this too but to a less significant degree)

1) Abolishes any incentive to work harder than the minimum.
2) STEALS from every wealth-owning person in the country.
3) Promotes a state of laziness.

Do I need to go on? etc etc...

I suggest you read this: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=370752

 

I think the man is an idiot and should be shot.

He has now become a socialist liberal idiot.



Dropkick Murphy put this in here to make himself look like he knows how to mod.

 

NOTE: I am not pro-Obama or pro-American.

Why should you want to have somebody killed? Just because YOU think that he doesn't lead the country the way you want? And why won't you kill him yourself? You live in a country where guns are widely available.

This makes no sense ay all to me. Please use proper grammar, this is SFA.
And what has the World Bank have to do with socialism?

Yes, because recessions will fix themself... NOT!

Protectionism, also a very good thing for your market. Why not abolish all world trade? The whole worlds' economy is based on import and export. Without that you have no world economy, you have weak economies in seperated countries. Besides, alot of foreign goods are cheaper to buy than make yourself. Clothing, electronics, cars, etc are all made in poor countries because labour is cheap.

It sounds like that with your economic and political knowledge you will run for president in 2012, because you would do so much better. /sarcasm

Seriously, how fucking stupid can you be?

Socialism:

Liberalism:

 

I am totally against Obama for a few simple reasons, when I get older I would like to be wealthy. If I ever do become rich a significant amount of my money will have to go to taxes to pay for the people who don't work.

When I die and I want to leave my family some money to live comfortably, almost half of that money will be taken from me by the death tax.

America has thrived for over 200 years without a hint of socialism and now he wants to change that with bigger government, more taxes, and other out and out socialist ideas. Why?

 

Your comment has no logic. If you stop buying things from other countries you worsen the economy. To make the economy better, people need to buy stuff but not things they don't need.

 

We already have trouble keeping people who live on welfare supported, how the hell are we going to pull off nation-wide welfare? Not to mention, with no intensive, people WILL become lazier.

It wont work, plain and simple. America is not disciplined enough or selfless enough to pull it off.

 

Go have a look at the link which I posted. He calls Americans arrogant in nature and speaks of multiple things in which we need to follow suit of Europe. I don't know if you didn't catch it, but he says it all maybe reworded though.

 

There are times when America has shown arrogance in world affairs. But, on the other hand, Europeans have blamed America for everything bad in the world. These are both negative attitudes.

That's what he says (edit; I'm paraphrasing), that has nothing to do with emulating Europe or Americans being arrogant "in nature".

 

Europe isn't socialist, so I still don't see the evidence behind a "blatant goal of socialism." Sure he is extremely left, and I support that, but he is NOWHERE near socialism.

 

You realize most European countries are not socialist? Btw, since he has become President, he has moved towards being more of a Centrist and not further to the left.

Let me guess, you have probably also criticized his perfect handling of the pirate situation as well?

Another question for OP, do you have any other radical conservative ideas or beliefs that you care to share with us?

 

I'm pretty sure your family will be alright when you die. Because I doubt you won't give them shit until you die. Give it to people who Actually need it.

Do you know why he is mainly taxing people who make alot of money? Because those are the people who can actually afford it. And, main rich people, are who is driving us down. The bosses gain money for the prices raising, but they don't give their employees raises and keeping the money. And if you don't know, $250,000 is alot of money. You will still keep a big amount of money left.

If all of the rich people keep getting richer and richer, and the poor gets even more poor, sooner or later, the money the rich have, won't be worth anything.

 

This, is what socialism is supposed to fix. By spreading the wealth. the rich are put on even ground with the rest of the world. This is all fine and good in theory, but what happens when the rich decide to simply outsource themselves and take out their contributions completely? Or, when the rich just no longer exist. No one would have any motivation to become rich if they were just going to get taxed to death.

 

No i love the man, he's out there to show hes a good man and knows what he can do and speaks for everyone.

 

First of all it's a fact that socialism fails. Secondly, I'm 100% positive that you don't want the money which you earned through all you're hard work to be taxed and then given to people who don't do shit or attempt to advance themselves. He's not taxing the people that can afford it he's also taxing the upper middle class and some parts of the middle class. I know that my dad who is considered upper middle class is going to be taxed like a bitch and we can't afford that. Many are being taxed and they can't necessarily avoid it. He's essentially robinhood- take from the rich give to the needy. I mean sure that works in fairy tales, but guess what....life isn't a fairy tale. Actually contrary to your belief, the rich are keeping us alive...jesus. The rich give the jobs, give the money, give the bonuses, give the raise, etc. When you tax the somewhat wealthy, they can't really be giving out more jobs, more raises and higher salaries to those who need them aka the poor. Someone who makes 250K/yr. is very rich. Obama is taxing people who make 75K/yr. that's what his number is for a standard as "wealthy", it actually might even be less. I'm sorry to rant on you but when you post you're "thoughts" of what's going on make sure you're somewhat educated on the topic. It's a direct relationship my friend, when the rich continue to accumulate money the poor advance as well. The economy does better thus allowing the poor to thrive. Not only does the economy get better it allows the poor to get the jobs people are giving out because of business expansion during fruitful times.

 

Yes, the USSR did fall on its knees - but let's not fool ourselves, the purist forms of most governments would fall just as easily or not have cohesiveness to be maintained.

I would also suggest that you reread the purist definition of socialism, not the once Sythe has lead you to see.

*Citation needed from a reliable source* (if not, stop spreading foolish propoganda).

Adding "fact" in front of statement will not make it any stronger. You seem to hate European ideals so much, but generally speaking, the conditions throughout much of Europe is favorable.

You are pushing for the top-down theory of economics. This de-regulation was prevalent in the 1930's and caused a bubble which arguably resulted in the Great Depression. The election of Roosevelt came the "New Deals", some generally socialist acts that focused on a bottom-up theory of economics.

While some would argue that the end of the Great Depression was WW2, many top economists are taking a look at the socialist policies that may have ended the Great Depression as the possible fix to today's problems.