The Existence of God

well for some reason i kind of believe some GOD that created universe i mean it had to start somehow

 

Why do you believe this?

Hypothetically, God is eternal. Why can't the universe be eternal?

 

Why am I an atheist? Because there is NO proof God exists. It also does not make sense for God to exist. He does not need an argument because theists need to prove that God exists, because we can not prove that he does not exist.

Harvard is a reliable source. I could say that the study you showed us was faked, which indeed it could have been. Plus, I do not trust sites that are religious.

Thats not an ad hominem.

No. In fact it was not. It is not relevant anyways. I simply was responding to your off topic remark to hopefully get you back on topic.

An independent group... I still will not accept it as a valid source as it is VERY biased.

Prove it. The senses can be mistaken.

Nice twisting of his words. He said that because it is a book, that does not mean it is true. I already told you why the Bible is not a valid source.

Thats not an argument from ignorance... And, no one can prove that it is not happening so the positive side must prove it. Meaning, unless you have proof that it is happening, I can assume it is not.

I trust the Harvard source. Also, I do. My teacher who teaches Philosophy of religion at a college level told me that there is proof against prayer and against prayer in medicine. Why should I believe him?

1. He is my teacher. He has no reason to lie.
2. He has studied in the field and should know whats right.

It is unwise to demand evidence about EVERYTHING. You have to figure out what sources to trust, and what

Um... Its not a complex question. This is a debate. In debates you ask questions. Of course I have a goal for this question, but any question in any debate as a goal. Plus you were saying that since there is no proof for it it can not be verified... Well. Again. I can not prove it wrong, so you must prove it right or I will assume it is wrong.

Have you talked to them? No. So you do not know what their intent was.

So? Thats not relevant at all. The writers of the Bible had a bias.

Yes. It is called authors intent. I choose to believe some, and not others.

 

Why not?
We have DOCUMENTED proof of ghosts, witch have no bodys, and can interact with the living. So why not have more powerful beings of the same sort? But on the anti-god note, why doesn't He do one thing? Just one, and everyone will believe in him. They all did back in the BC, He was doing them left and right. It might be due to the fact, that unlike then, we can record data. Back then we just had written text. :laugh:
It'll drive you insane wondering about it. Do what you have to do, before you die. When we die, we'll know the answer.
And for the guy that posted above me, if you don't want to know our beliefs don't go to a thread called "Does God exist". Duh.

 

Really?
I'd be interested in seeing that. What is a ghost anyway?

 

K, A ghost is a insubstantial and partly transparent being, being created after dieing and coming back, sometimes for ghastly (hehe, pun) reasons. We notice them, we just put them off like "oh that was the wind" IT WASN'T. Hope that answers your question! Just like Vampires. He have millions of eye witness accounts, we even document strange genes that allow people to live off others blood. We see ghosts all the time.


Haven't you ever seen Ghost hunters? Ever seen a shadow in the dark? Never felt a cold spot? Never woke up for no reason, waiting for something to happen? Ever gotten a strange feeling when your outside at night?
Never even stayed up at night and just looked out site, seeing the faces drift pass? Hmm.

 

Nope. Most ghost siting either have a scientific reason for them happening or just the human senses are getting tricked... Mainly by the brain thinking it is a ghost.

 

That's called the human brain - it isn't fool proof. All animals get scared for no apparent reason.

Ever walked up to a dog and it bit you? You can't tell me it saw a ghost.

Give me some of the documented evidence you talk about rather than spouting bullshit.

 

Exactly. Anything is possible if we venture onto that topic. Why couldn't the Universe have created itself? therefore we're living inside 'God'?

 

i think that god does exist beause we are conscious and a soul and god is the only explanation.

 

If you don't have the capacity to think intellectually about things, please get out of this forum.

 

For what they say is very true.
My own Supporting facts AGAINST religion.
Now i do not COMPLETELY believe in evolution.
HOWEVER.
Simple facts like
Everyday new organism's fall from space. (Who the hell knows from were)
99.99% of those organism's die before they reach the surface(crust)
HOWEVER that does leave .01% Thus making it possible.
These organisms would then adapt (evolve) to their surroundings.
Over time their surroundings would change (hence global warming)
And they would adapt. Thus changing chemical and physical features.
EXAMPLE MUCHO PLAWKS.
Electric Eel. Started off with out electricity (HENCE your modern day Eel)
Thus because in the amazon you have things such as piranha alligator and Gar. Thus just a small example.
They then evolved electricty to keep themselves OFF THE FOODCHAIN.
It also helps them zap the shit out of tasty fish.


NOT only that but everyday their is more and more and MORE
facts about evolution being unshaded. Plus do you really think that Noah or whothehell ever really went half way around the world to get 2, 2 ton hippo's? Don't tell me they wet through the ocean.

 

If there was no god, would there be a earth?

 

Pinsellerpro there are countless different ways the earth could have been created or simply existed, yet none are proven to be true they provide more scientific evidence then a book that contradicts itself in pretty much every chapter.

 

I believe there is a god, but Adam & Eve and some other stories are just plain unbelievable.

 

Before I begin i would like to press that I AM NOT TRYING TO PERSUADE ANYONE OR MANIPULATE ANYONE... just putting my views down

God is a very contriversial topic.... I although being a follower of Sikhism and have had a Hinduism upbringing.. do not believe that there is a god...

rather than investing all of my belief and praying that someone else will save me i believe in MYSELF however why i said i was a follower of sikhism is for another reason altogether...

I say i am a follower of sikhism because in essence i follow its principles and believe it is a good way to live however I DO NOT need a religion to have good morales and do not need a heaven or a reincarnation at the end of my path to make me want to be good and righteous...

Further the creationist view people come up with is because they have no faith in science. Creationism is based around for example.. this website has a creator and we need no name or face to know that he is or was there.... This is a very cheap line of attack for religious people including christians who believe the world was made BY GOD in 7 days... Well science has given a theory to how the earth and humanity came into existence these are however practically impossible to prove. Further to the creationist view not everything needs or has a CONSCIOUS creator. For example the sun is NOT consciously beaming down UV radiaton to us but it is coming down anyway...

Well there are some of my views feel free to comment on them..

Thanks for reading folks =)

 

I dont believe in god, it would be a little odd if he could see everything and stuff :X

 

Read your comments then read his again. If you still don't understand, I'd repeat:

"If you don't have the capacity to think intellectually about things, please get out of this forum."

Giant load of shit.

 

stop saying that im dumb and explain why lol

seriously theres no other explanation for how we see other than a soul created by god.

 

you sir, (running down a dream), are an idiot. and besides, the point is that you aren't trying to argue a point with any real evidence, you are just stating an opinion, with the most common (and incredibly weak at that) backing for the logic of your opinion. and also, if u wanna stick with that logic, what created god then? how did he come about?