The Existence of God

Look I enjoyed discussing this with you because I must say you provided a damn good argument, but if now you're simply going to cast all my arguments off with sarcasm then you can leave...

 

mmm you never know =/



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I think the Bible is an entertaining work of fiction with some facts worked into it. I think some of the parables are great inspiring stories.
I say the Bible is mostly fiction because of the miracles and creation of the Earth it describes. (Not to mention there is some cruel stuff in there!)

 

I just find it so amazing that the Bible was written 2,000 years ago, some parts being 1,000 years ago and it can foretell the future. That's one reason I'm religious because it's just impossible to know many things in the future and Jesus, from what people in the Bible say, predicts the future accurately.

 

His predictions are vague, leaving them open to interpretation. There are such high probabilities that some of his predictions would come true within 20,000 years that anyone could really wrap the predictions around anything. People look extremely hard for thigns to assign the prophecies to, and with the vagueness of the prophecies it is hard to know. If he said something like "In 2008, the finances of the west would crash," I would've been impressed.

 

What things did it predict?

 

Here is a website that shows a couple. Dont know how reputable this site is, but it gives a little background anyways.

EDIT: Didnt put site in, here it is http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible

 

I personally believe that there is no god, there is just too much evidence against it (i.e. all of the factual incorrectness/ contradictory statements even in the bible itself). The bible itself (im going w/ the old testament part here) was started to be written by ( i know that makes no grammatical sense, but i lack the energy to create proper syntax for that sentence, so plz bear with me) men in tents some 4000+ years ago in an effort to explain the world. the bible is just filled with stories to explain things/ install morals, it doesnt, contrary to wat some believe, even attempt to chronicle actual specific events to any point. also, the "world view" (and by that i mean the physical view of the world i.e. heaven, the earth, other stuff) of the earlier jews (and by that i mean at the time of the old testament) was that we were in like some kind of giant bubble, and then that later changes, but why? if thats how god told them things were, then how could things change later. if u don't understand wat im talking about, google it plz. which brings me to another point, how can the church change its perspective on matters if it comes from the pope? doesnt the pope be getting his instruction from god, and if god is perfect, then why would he ever change his mind about something. those r just a few of the problems i have with a god. i could go on for hours, but id rather not.

no matter what you believe, i personally think it is very important to do research for yourself about wat you believe. always be open to new ideas. and if you are a christian, read the bible. i know more atheist who have read the bible than i know christians who have, and that fact is quite aggravating. also, i know that the bible was one of the main things that turned me (i guess you could say) to atheism, and i know it is the case for many others.

also, if any one ever responds to an argument about God, that "god must exist, because if he doesnt, then how could anything be created, or we exist" or something to the likes of that, i will probably smack them, and then reply "who/what created god then?". so just save urself.

please forgive my multitude of spelling/ grammatical errors.
~pred

 

there's no god,but allah


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Allah is a god, is he not?

 

what i ment was there's no other god just allah and he's 1

 

Ok then the next question; Why do you believe in Allah as opposed to Yahweh, Christian/Catholic God, or even Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, etc?

 

My guess is that djinn only believes in Allah because he was raised to believe that way. Most people brought up in a religion only believe it because it was force fed on them their entire life. My guess is that if everyone had not been born into a religion and "God" whoever he may be had left it up to the people to determine who he was or if he was real nobody would come up with anything, because he simply does not exist. Imagination over many years may seed into something but in the present day and age we are not as mystified by certain events that may happen. Like how the Egyptians had a sun god that brought the sunlight to the land, obviously now we know the earth rotates on an axis therefore we know there is no god that brings light to us, nature does that on its own.

 

It's simply a matter of conditioning. Of course people would not join a religion if they were not exposed to it. Now the interesting part is this: if someone were exposed to it as an adult and given the choice between a giant mystical entity and atheism, most people would find the idea of a god very silly.

 

I dont understand your basis of this argument. I was brought up Catholic, but I wasnt force fed anything. Many adults are brought up atheists but find what they are looking for in churches.
The idea that a "Big Bang" happened and everything imploded on itself due to high gravity is silly to me. It might have happened, but there is no logic as to why it happened. What caused the high gravity? I dont see how the Big Bang is any "proof" that there isnt a God.

 

All too true, I'm quite surprised that most people don't really start to see that it doesn't make sense as they get older you know. I mean back when I believed in the bible, less than a year ago, it was all like how can nobody understand that this is absolute truth. Then when I started reasoning and researching I find more and more that it is just completely wrong. I suppose that's probably the same mindset every other believer has though, you know how it seems to fit so perfectly....

On a side note, sweet signature Denode

cub it's not that the big bang theory disproves religion, I myself don't even believe in the big bang or evolution aside from micro evolution that is quite obvious to be real. The proof that there is no god is shown in the bible itself. You just need to read the first two chapters of genesis to see how messed up it is. The order of creation is different in the two accounts in the same book, obviously a great way to start a non contradictory book right?

 

Suppose you were born in Saudi Arabia, and brought up with a tolerant Muslim family (is that an oxymoron? ). Would you still be Catholic/Christian?

You think that is silly, but you don't think religion is silly?
George Carlin explains it better than I ever could:

That's just flat out not true.
Read this, it's only a paragraph or so: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#BBevidence

The incredible density.

At the very least it is proof the Bible isn't true.

 

What I was saying is the reason why many people believe what they believe is because they were provided a higher "dose" of their religion as a child. I know you were not force fed anything, you just most likely had a larger exposure to it, correct?

We do not say that the Big Bang is proof that there is not a god, we simply use it to dispute the Genesis story. It says that the world was created in 7 days, but the Big Bang does not support that theory. We do in fact have evidence that supports the big bang, such as the fact that the universe seems to be expanding from a central point.

 

Allah is the same God as Christians and Jews worship...

Proof please. Less than 2% of Americans say they are either Atheists or Agnostics. Plus, you really do not get much being brought up atheist. You get told by your parents, we do not think that God exists but its your own choice... :/

 

Sorry, I should have said "The bible, Qu'ran, book of Mormon, etc."


I may create a thread about religion in general rather than a god.