It's an Obamanation

Give me reasons on how they didn't do it. And not "Who would do that to their own people" because that's just crap. Stalin, Mussolini, Castro ect.

Here's a post from SUF - Thanks.

Read the above post.

As I have said before, 9/11 - Government...

- He did a completly better job than Bush did. And he just started.
- "ballouts" - Lern to spell - The bailouts are to help the companies get back on their feet because their activity is needed to keep the economy afloat.

Alrighty then.

 

Sorry to jump into this debate so late, but how do you see 9/11 as a government setup; list some pros and cons.

Also, on a previous point how did Bush get us into a recession? The economy was the best it's ever been in 2004-2006 under Bush's "regime". If you could elaborate on your position, that would be nice.

 

It was alittle before that, and it doesn't drop the second he came into office.

- Bush got rich off of investing into homeland security. Or so I've heard.
- Oil
- To get a second term I'm assuming

Off the top of my head, read the actual thread for it.

 

From 02' to 08' he had the economy running the best it's ever been. The economy is in the shape it is partly due to the housing industry, which includes loans being given to the wrong people and increased mortgages. Don't believe me, some more proof can be found at this link: http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia1900.html

Someone investing in themselves, I only see that as pure confidence.

Also, 9/11 was most definitely not a government setup, if you will, please post your basis for an argument on that topic.

 

- I wouldn't have guessed
- What results were I looking at?
- You should check the unemployment rates.
- The economy is bad because the companies are scared to lose money and are taking early, non needed precautions that the rest of us pay for.

I was answering your question?

 

You're looking at results from the Dow Jones' Industrial Average over the past 100 years or so.

The economy went downwards because people thought the housing market was going to increase and increase, but it suddenly declined. Therefor, people who were going to sell their houses and pay off their loan, were left screwed. It also stems off into Merill-Lynch and Standard and Poor's. Merill-Lynch has S&P's rate their stocks whether they are at best AAA or at worst BB and obviously Standard and Poor's isn't going to rate their stocks BB to Merill-Lynch who is paying them. AAA are low risk stocks that are the best possible investment. BB stocks are those which are high risk investments, but you can make large gains. It's companies that are corporations that are causing problems as well. Business' such as Donald Trumps are going bankrupt and he is fine because the financial aspect of his company is a separate entity leaving him with limited liability, thus he isn't liable for the downfall of the company. We mainly are where we are, not because of Bush, because of greed and ignorance-as much as I hate to say it.

 

True. But to be honest, I don't know the companies you spoke of =/. Guess I'm out of the loop.

 

You're not out of the loop, you're just not aware of all the processes and such, which much of the people here aren't. Mainly, we're in this because of ourselves.

Standard and Poor's is a branch of a company that publishes financial research and analysis on stocks and bonds, which is basically a rating upon bonds and upon stock. A stock is basically a share within a company or corporation.

Merrill Lynch provides investing banking, they provide advice for those looking to purchase and invest, etc. They directly correlate because Standard and Poor's rates their stocks and bonds. They don't want to lose their business, therefor they rate their stocks and bonds highly. It's almost like sucking up to your boss because you want to keep your job. If you read what I wrote above, it tells you a bit more about stocks and why I feel we're in the situation we are currently in. You be the judge; greed or ignorance?

 

I think it's more greed than ignorance if it is both atall. The companies are well informed of the actions they may partake and they should be held responsible. They may not know of the whole domino effect that other companies did the same. With the greed, came ignorance.

 

Ah, I see you've learned something

When one is greedy, ignorance becomes very relevant because the greed jades the ignorance. They can't help themselves from wanting more and more therefor they are unaware of the obvious and idiotic decisions they were making. With the greed came the ignorance. The people are mainly to blame, with the mixed economy we overly rely on the government.

Mixed economy is the type of economy which we practice in America, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Not 100% sure, I really need to read up more on the economy alone. Usually I only read it when someone brings it to me in a thread or something as a link. And I try to read further but then get sidetracked =/



Also, if they become too greedy, their actions will leave them with nothing.


Edit: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy You're correct =D

 

You think that is cause the government attacked the towers in ur opion?
This is sad, post away im now coming back to this thread.
-You find proof, real proof that 9/11 was by the government, if you do (witch you will not) then please by far PM, but good luck, cause it was by terriost..
but other then im tired of fighting, with people like this(not you guys just no need to fight on internet to much, cause you can't see the person and hear there voice and what they truely mean, all you see is words, so i don't belive in fighting over the internet.

 

I agree that 9/11 wasn't a government setup, but I have to look at this logically. You can't just say that because there's no proof it didn't happen that way. I think the government is a little more intelligent than you suspect. They aren't going to make information on one of the countries worst non-natural disasters readily available, and even furthermore, readily available to a 15 year old kid on Sythe. I don't think there's reason for the government to induce such a harsh occurrence.

 

There really isn't proof, there is a bunch of circumstantial evidance that at best, raises questions.

 

Did you know, Obama allowed $200,000,000 in stimulus money,
to fund the research of why Pig's smell bad?

Wow.

 

I will not believe it until you show proof.


I think they are passing a new bill that will help small business owners next. People are mad that like 160mill is going to bonuses and shit to AIG dudes who caused AIG to kinda fail. Lol...... That needs stopping.

 

Show proof on how they didn't do it rather than they couldn't have done it. The evidence saying:
- "There is a bomb in the building"
- It being a US army plane
- The pilots being alive
- The government making fake tapes and using fake impostors
- The Pentagon tapes.

The only thing you have is an opinion that means nothing.

 

They are probably starting a bill that will help small business owners because when Obama attempts to instate nationwide health care the small business owners are going to get killed through taxes.

 

I didn't know the US Army flew commercial Boeing-757s. Cite your sources please. What happened to the lives lost in the commerical jet crashes? I don't think these were military personnel.


Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/story.html

 

Looks like a really big mess to me...