It's an Obamanation

What's the point of arguing without sources ?

You can say Obama is a terrorist or Bush was tyrant ,but without a viable source what's the point ? It's just a flame war.

Kudos to those of you using sources.

 

Where the hell did this come from?

Also, if you don't agree with the stimulus, tell me some ways to kick start the economy and get people buying/selling more.

 

A mystery no one has cracked yet, especially Obama.

Oh and by the way the economic downspin started while Clinton was in presidency, not saying Bush didn't help it down, but there was no way to completely stop it.

 

No it didn't

"From 1994 to 2000 real output increased, inflation was manageable and unemployment dropped to below 5%, resulting in a soaring stock market known as the Dot-com boom"

"The economy worsened in 2001 with output increasing only 0.3% and unemployment and business failures rising substantially, and triggering a recession"

The current recession were are in started back in 2007... Bush should have noticed it and tried to stop it... But he did not take action until it was too late... Now Obama must handle it...

 

I stopped giving this thread any credit at this sentence. If you have a problem with Obama, don't be a giant tool and quote a guy whose speech was awful.


The recession is a natural progression in the market, the mere fact that we as humans are naive enough to blame a recession on the government (unfortunately, though, such a farce may become reality if the government takes any more of our freedom and money) shows that democracy is flawed through idiocy. (Anyone who wants to tell me about the Smoot-Hawley tarriff, I'm quite aware. The matter is different when a recession occurs under (arguably) 7 consecutive terms of central to conservative economic policies.)

Furthermore, the actions of a president have 0% bearing on keeping a country safe in terms of terrorism. Under Bush, the operatives we have in terrorist countries were no less diligent than under Obama. This is crap aimed at raising the kind of fearmongering that should have stopped 200 years ago.


Indeed, Bush's pursuit of war in Iraq created a vacuum of power that turned the nation into a giant training ground for terrorism. This isn't to say that with the right leadership (and without that bitch Pelosi bleeding all over the House floor), the war won't turn out to be a success, in fact, I generally believe that this crap about Bush being a bad president is all simple and uneducated reactionism. Allow history the judgeship.

 

Especially Obama? What the fuck are you saying, he came up with a stimulus to create jobs for the unemployed and money that will go towards schools.

Don't talk down to someone because you are a Republican.

 

Yeah, just like the we did for the Japanese in WWII.



People will always blame everything on something, in this case... The president, The government. They need a scapegoat.

The president has NO control over the economy, Because we have an economy that is free from government control, so the person we can blame for the economy is ourselves... Pay off your loans guys. This is common sense.

If we were a communist country, then it would indeed be the president's fault. However we are a democracy. So he can't receive any of the blame.


9/11 Wasn't planned by our government, history has proven that a government so corrupt would collapse quickly.

But as people, we will believe anything we're told because it works as a scapegoat, we can blame the government for 9/11, we can blame Bush for the recession, we can blame Bush for everything really.

This stimulus package could indeed benefit the economy... But there's also the chance that it could drive us deeper into debt, And i'm sure it will.


The people want new change, but simply put, it would be very hard to do... History repeats itself, if something goes wrong, see how the people fixed it in the Great Depression and take a similar approach.

 

We don't fight now do we?

Your the most powerful man in the nation, what do you think they're job is to do?

If the government is free from the economy, why are they doing bailouts? and creating jobs to stir the economy? They may not have full control, but they do have bits and pieces.

Agin, "Your the most powerful man in the nation, what do you think they're job is to do?"

Not exactly, most of them act openly, this is more of a covert planning if anything. I still don't know why they make fake evidence, and don't release the pentagon tapes.

Of course we can blame them, they can prevent it with the most will power. It may not all be right, but we can still put the blame on him, which may make him work harder to lift the blame off him and show he's doing something. Just like in Katrina.

Explain.

History doesn't repeat itself blindly, they take ideas from history and act on it. If it worked before, it must work now.

 

Yeah, you failed to mention that the actions of bush's government caused this recession.

We aren't in a postwar period. We are in WARTIME.

What the hell is POSTWAR about invading two countries?

Instead of that, bush spent 200 BILLION dollars more (than the stimulus package) on Iraq (and that figure of 1 trillion dollars was taken from 2007, 2008 latest)

Go read up on the Money multiplier effect in economics.

 

Dollar for a dime.

 

Elaborate....Don't give me expressions.

 

It's purpose was to stimulate your own thought. If you'd like me to think for you, fine. Obama passed a bill with no definite solution. He's taking a huge gamble. The best way to define the stimulus bill, disregarding such useless shit like pork/volcano, is an educated guess. That's all the stimulus is; an educated guess. Why risk taking an educated guess when we're already on such thin ice? Sure, this could potentially create more jobs in the short term; but what about the long run? The money WILL run out. People will be put to work for a few extra months, but what's next? ANOTHER stimulus bill? We are putting the country into LONG TERM debt for a delusional short term STIMULATION. An illusion is all the stimulus is. Back to the expression- Obama spent a lot, which will negatively impact the country in the LONG stretch, and stimulate for only a few months. The return won't be high enough for the nation to cash out on the stimulus bill. Obama spent 1 dollar and we're getting 10 cents back. We're now 90 cents in debt for a long ass time.

 

The money was put into the economy, we can't be indebt to ourselves.

It created jobs that would:
1. Benefit the unemployed with qualification.
2. Gathered information on natural disasters.
3. The money won't run out unless we do so much foreign trades that they own the U.S.
4. People even argue that he should have put more money into the Stimulus Bill.
5. I have yet to see another idea.


Also, I think the more appropriate expression would be a dollar invested will soon be a fortune.

 

Lets say 20million people are out of work... Lets say they need 30k for a year to stay afloat. That means we need to hand out 600,000,000,000 in funding... And thats less than the stimulus bill, and like 5 times the number of jobs the current stimulus bill is creating or saving... The money will not run out really fast... It will stay long enough to get the economy back on its feet.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

No we can't, you've solved it, just mass print money everyone! We've solved the problem!

 

Call me crazy, but I bet if we stopped stealing their money, I think they would spend more.

 

2 things: There's public/external debt and a national debt.

We are in debt to our selves. It's the money we owe to our soldiers, construction workers, public service workers, social workers, etc. This is part of the national debt. Read about it.

On the subject of the stimulus bill, we borrowed from foreign economies. The money doesn't come out of thin air. This is called external debt. These people are going to OWN us.

Besides, even if this was money that we created just to put into the economy, which it's not, then the value of the dollar would plummet in similar fashion to Zimbabwe's pathetic excuse of a currency.

1. How?
2. State's job.
3. Too late.
4. Psycho liberals.
5. Because the Grand Old Party is too busy trying to PREVENT damage caused by these silly liberals, when, in reality, the liberals need to stop and realize, on their own, the negatives of a giant spending spree like this. Then, and only then, can we have a true bi-partisan solution to America's economic troubles. Besides, McCain drew up a much more realistic stimulus plan to revive the economy; but that was shut down because he's a silly old white man with pudgy cheeks who no one ever takes seriously because of his loss to the proclaimed Messiah, Barack H. Obama. Blaspheming liberals.

 

Are you retarded? The more you spend and buy, the better the economy is.



Also, I'm saying why don't people on sythe come up with a different idea, not them.

 

We don't owe the money to ourselves, we owe it to the Federal Reserve Bank, a private group of bankers that have complete control over our currency.

What it will really do is massively devalue the dollar, destroying whatever wealth people have.

 

I believe Obama is very niave and full of himself when it comes to thinking he knows what hes doing when it comes to politics and war.