The Existence of God

Yes, and it is usually because they stop thinking rationally about things. Why do you think most people in church are old? - Because they are the most gullible and the ones most susceptible to the snake oil salesmen.

 

I used to be a Christian but i am not anymore. Think about it, the bible talks of jesus being "magical". Crossing the red river by clearing a path. Now days if a guy said he was our savior and said he could make water open and walk across water we would call him a nut head. Bible also states that Earth is the only place of life, no E.T.'s, yet there are billions of GALAXIES out there and the odds of just 1 having life are so high you wouldn't believe. The bible talks of many things that did not happen, or did happen that science has proven wrong...I basically just find it crazy to believe that basically a "wizard" did magic to help people thousands of years ago...

 

So you are telling me that everyone in the scientific community think that evolution is a fact and they all believe that god does not exist(or did not create humans)?



Correct, just as I cannot be sure that Australia is a real place, or that there aren't fairies hiding in my room. Nothing is knowable for certain except for mathematical/logical proofs, and only then because we define the entire system and its rules.[/QUOTE]

You cannot compare Santa/Ghosts/fairies to God. Because you know for sure that Santa/Ghosts/fairies did not create you. If we assume god exists, then we assume the god is your creator. I also find it silly to do so, because evolution is nothing comparing to bible(imo).


Perhaps they become deeper thinkers, yes, but how do you know that they become more religious?[/QUOTE]

You tell me, based on my observations(Just like Charles's Darwin's observations for evidence of evolution), and everyone's(don't ask, you know it), it is completely true.
There are more non religious people that are young then old. Perhaps if you want some proof/what ever, maybe you can take your time and contact ask every person in the world, thus you would notice the pattern.

 

Most real scientists, yes.

Um, no we don't. I'm actually an Orthodox-Fairian, and I believe fairies made the world.

Yeah, typically because old people start to use their mind to question less and less.

 

Virtually all scientists accept evolution as a fact, and a large chunk do not believe in God:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

Of course I can. Both are popular beliefs, and neither have evidence to support their existence.

How so?

 

This is fucking pointless. Atheists wont stop feeling smarter and theists wont stop believing by arguing around it in a circle.

 

PwB i think your a little depressed son, take a nap.

 

No, I just think everyone wastes their time when they argue about faith.

 

What about when converts are made?

 

I'm not forcing you to stop posting on this, if you think you actually have a chance of converting someone, be my guest. But I think you're wasting your time.

 

I beleive there is a creater, but no God.

we as humans are far to complex to have just.. Come together. But then there is the theory of evolution, which is a completely different story in itself.

 

This shows that the deeper we go, the less people believe in god. As almost stated in the Bible, by the end there is supposed to be almost no believers at all.

Of course they are scientists but as the age progresses, you can see that in modern world there will be 99% rejection of god in 20-25 years.( I think you know it yourself or if not, then you tend to reject it)

Also, Scientists are just humans, and humans make errors/mistakes. And don't get me wrong, but there is a great possibility of Charles Darwin(AKA Human!) and the scientists that have made terrible mistakes.

Has this ever come to you in mind? Is there a single atheist in the world that does not believe in evolution? Probably not. Imo, theory of evolution was created for atheists as it would explain how were the humans made. Before the theory of evolution, there was explanation for the atheists. Well again, before people believe in god, and now, not that many.

 

Several people have told me in person that I converted them.

The theory of evolution explains exactly how we came together.

The more we understand about how the universe works and why, the less we rely upon God as an explanation for what we do not know. Yes, that is correct.

It's not going to be 20-25 years, not by a very long shot. There are still huge religious communities all around the world, communities that raise their children to be just as devout as they are. Perhaps in 300 years, true faith will have dwindled down to almost nothing, but there will always be mystics and deists and those who claim to have had a supernatural experience. No matter how much knowledge is available, some people will continuously believe in the paranormal/supernatural. It's just how they are.

Yes, individual scientists can make grave mistakes, and so can science in general, but as more evidence is uncovered, it grows increasingly less likely. With the huge amount of evidence, evolution turning out to be false would require explanations of the changes in the fossil record, the copied genes that we witness in modern day animals (humans included), the radiometric dating results confirmed by several independent tests, and so on.

Yeah, Darwin and company sat down to plan out a theory specifically for nonreligious people. That sort of thing frequently happens in the scientific community.

 

If the god does exist, would the atheists hate god? I keep hearing that atheists hate god, although how can they hate if they don't believe in one?

So if had just found out the answer(some how) and you would know that god would exist, and evolution wouldn't, would you hate god?

All the atheists come up with the same answers, its just the atheists.

I am done discussing this, as:

You can't prove the existence of god, you have to believe in god and be inspired to.
If you look for evidence, etc, there would never be any to support existence of god, as there the religion comes in, its about faith mainly.

Good luck converting people, i personally think you have the ability to do so, and i don't doubt that you have converted many. I also enjoy to debate that there is no god, as you can find all the proof/evidence that there is no god.

As for me, yeah i do believe in god, yet i don't go to church/etc, as i don't think i need any guidance for me(I don't see any point in going). I am not religious at all, i just believe in god. Evolution is a great fact for atheists but for everyone else,its a theory.

As for you, i predict by the time you get old(lol), you would change your mind and convert yourself. I see you were raised as a Catholic, yet i know many people that were raised in Catholic schools that after are not religious at all. I think they are teaching something wrong(no offence to Catholics) and imo there shouldn't have been the great schism/great split, and there should of have been just been all as one(known as Orthodox right now).

 

An atheist doesn't hate God, nor does he/she hate pink flying unicorns. An atheist merely takes the position that one who believes in God is lacking rational backing.

The majority of theists (including the Pope) are ready to accept the idea that evolution (or at least evolving intelligent design) is a reality. By making evolution and God mutually exclusive, you are putting the survival of your faith in jeopardy. You are also forcing yourself to take the burden of proof when there is none...Evolution would by NO MEANS disprove the existence of God. It is only a mechanism by which things change.

Quite the opposite is true. Atheists often quarrel even among the scientific community.

Why has your all power omni-benevolent God failed to give me enough inspiration?

Evolution is fact. The mechanism is theory.

Religion splits because no one really knows what the truth is. Over a long period of time, Religion actually becomes more and more divided through different interpretation. Alternatively, the basic premises of science become more united over a long period of time.

 

I don't mean to throw out spam, but seriously take a look at the posts and views to this thread. It is amazing how controversial this is...

 

That's what the Church told Galileo when he proposed that the Earth is round, using Bible verses to say that he was wrong. Same for the proposition that the Earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
Are you going to be "the Church" this time, especially when there's more evidence for the Theory of Evolution than that of the Theory of Gravity? Quite a few books on Gravity and General Relativity, but mountains of peer reviewed evidence, journals, and even discoveries because of evolution. We're even finding cures for some nasty diseases because of these discoveries (i.e. Alzheimer's, Down's Syndrome, Parkinson's, etc.)

Evolution isn't just about humans, it explains how life became so diverse, how there's so many different species of animals.

 

I've had my experiences with god, once before a hockey game i was taking this huge shit, and he appeared, i remember his exact words.. "Don't try so hard, it'll only make it harder on yourself." I took those words to heart, we ended up losing the game, but boy did i have a relaxing shit. lol...........Atheist. Badada I don't think "God" exists, but when i'm dying i'll Believe!

 

God exist so yes. Do not come with evolution theory because its bullshit.

 

Elaborate. Why is it bullshit?