Win $5,000!

Erh Sure.
When do I seriously get my money?

 

Bump! I want my money.

 

hmmm I think as a worshipper I should get 1/5th of the winnings

 

The lack of reasons for his existence.

God damn it, stop ripping absolutely fucking massive walls of text. Paraphrase, thanks.

Fail.

You mixed up the Big Bang theory with atheism, and then on the basis of it seeming odd to you, declared it incorrect.

Take a few courses in logic.

You are not arguing that God exists, merely that it is preferable to believe in him.

No. God, for the purpose of this exercise, is defined as an "external deity with supernatural power"

No.

No.

 

If you prove that he doesn't exist, I'll pay you $10,000.

 

Define the God you want me to disprove.

 

Merchant_in_the_dark just owned u^^^^^^^

 

What kind of a noob are you, not beleiving in god?
NOOB
You'll see the proof that there is God when you go to hell...

 

No he didn't.

Why would you believe without proof to begin with?

 

beleiving in God is not about facts..and somewhat its all based around faith there are people who beleive in God but dont beleive in most of the stories in the bible. Clearly its dificult to prove the existence.

 

Why is God exempt from facts, while every other belief is not?

 

Being invisible is surely a supernatural power and can be considered god like.
There is lots of evidence that ghosts or a "an external deity with supernatural powers" exists. One could argue that the video clips and photos are dubbed but it would be extremely unlikely that every ghost video is fake.

Here are simply some examples you can watch if you wish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deoJUBW9CI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHh6pdeXQbY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyj45wasuJk

All of this is only evidence. But for proof make or buy an Ouija bored and go to a cemetery at night time with a trusted friend. If the glass or other object moves when neither you or your friend apply pressure that would prove there is "an external deity with supernatural powers".

 

I said in the original post that you would NOT win the money by any sort of trickery or word-play. Prove that God exists, and win the money. Go away if you can't.

Tried it. Nothing happened.

 

Haha. I am second year in an Evolutionary Biology degree and that is classic religious babble. Do they really expect a protozoan to evolve into some brand new animal in front of their eyes?

They are so ridiculous with their 'un'intelligent design. They can't handle the idea of small changes in allele frequency which makes an organism more adept at surviving being passed on to its offspring more frequently due to increased fitness i.e tiny changes happening over many many many years, but will swallow the utter tripe in the bible that the Universe and everything in it was created in six days.

This arguement can never be won as Christians have chosen a question that has no way of being answered and when people get close they move the goal posts, they used to make love to intelligent design and now they have been forced to drop it and now harp on about a weird mutation of evolutation to do with bearded man which I can't recall the name of.

 

Well here's my try at the $5000:

God is defined as "an external deity with supernatural powers"

By "external deity" I guess you mean none of the "God is the embodiment of human emotion and lives with us all" rubbish, so that's taken care of, no metaphysical symbolism check.

"an external deity" Tick

Now for the "with supernatural powers". Well this is from a human perspective surely as by being able to define every natural law so it works on every level without any anomolies that can't be explained is beyond the human race, we have Quantum Mechanics that work on the very small scale but does not apply to the rules we have for the larger scale, even time which is used as a constant in many equations such as E=MC2 is not actually constant as it has been proven there are discrepancies in the way time effects objects moving at different speeds for example. Therefore "supernatural" trends defined by going in contradiction to the laws of nature set down by us are common. I think the crux of the question is in the association between external deity and supernatural powers, i.e there is an intention behind the "supernatural powers".

Now for the hard bit, there are six variables that must be exact to an infinitley tiny degree to let life begin in the universe one of them being the ability of water to freeze top down (unlike all other solutions) and all of these forces - which cannot be defined by a set of single rules put down by humanity called the laws of nature and are therefore 'super'-natural - have to work in unison to allow life with even the slightest degree of change resulting in a lifeless universe thus showing intention as the probability of a universe without life far,far,far,far,far.....far outweighs the liklihood of it being created with life leaving the theory of an intention behind this miracle logically easier to swallow than the opposite.

Therefore an external deity with supernatural powers. TADAAA

The money should be paid into [email protected]

 

Correct.

Correct.

The laws are fundamental physical constants of the universe. They do not "work together", they are simply at precise values that allow life to be possible. Why they are at these values is wildly speculated upon (God did it, "reproducing multiverse" theory, the constants could only be as they are now, etc.).

Also, you lack a justification for your argument that these laws cannot be defined by a set of single rules.

 

looks like v3nom came close. I've given up because I don't think God exists and I've already explained why; interesting to see what people say.

 

Yes but these natural laws we have set down don't work to correctly, the "fundamental physical constants" are almost as much of a postulate as the existence of God itself. I don't have a great knowledge of Physics but I know there are two very different sets of rules one for the large and one for the small things of the universe, there is no intermediate which brings us to the definition of "super"-natural, if it is anything that deviates from what the human race can come up with then there are lots of examples. But that is to take the definition of 'super-natural' in the context of the understanding of human race, in a thousand years time our understanding of the universe may have grown so much that my arguement is permissable.

Using the 'laws' as we know them now Einstein and another mathmatician (name evades me) created a model of the universe using various calculations following the laws of nature and...it collapsed. Our laws and constants are incorrect. Therefore there is a contribution of an unknown factor which must be, by definition, super-natural.

I think you will find the ball is in you court with that one It's the shortcomings of science which cannot define a single set of rules, as, temporarily, a member of the God squad, that which cannot be explained by science is therefore not natural or is in other words 'super'-natural and is thus a work of the almighty.

Edit: (off topic) Looking back on the other attempts, it annoys me that some people will happily Google something and paste it, thinking that they have solved any question with 'their' idea when it is only the plagiarized thoughts of someone else, if that proliferates across the web-going human race then soon all we'll be spouting are Wikipedia quotes to each other in answer to a question.

 

God is an hypothesis - the fundamental constants are not. How do we know this? We can directly observe them.

There is no clear and obvious intermediate, it is simply that individual particles behave randomly. 10,000 particles will (on average) behave in a Newtonian manner. I assume that there is a smooth gradiant all the way from 10,000 to one, with masses generally acting more and more Newtonian with more particles added.

An unknown factor is not automatically a supernatural factor. It could be, but it will be treated as unknown until more evidence is brought to light.

A supernatural force is not necessarily God.

You're annoyed by that? Welcome to the club.

I am redefining God (again) as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Go.

 

Bump.