Scar and RSBot

Discussion in 'Scar/Simba General Discussion' started by Kanoy, Nov 5, 2008.

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Which cheating program do you prefer?

Poll closed Nov 6, 2009.
  1. SCAR

    24.9%
  2. RSBot

    75.1%
Scar and RSBot
  1. Unread #161 - Dec 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    RsBot is a lot better.

    I never actually had a scar script work more than 1 hour. RsBot scripts work a ton better!

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  3. Unread #162 - Dec 28, 2008 at 12:43 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    I can't get you a progress report because you wown't find many people posting progress reports in the RSBot forums. It's just not that popular to the users who use RSBot I guess.

    Anyway you expect me to belive that someone autoed on an account for roughly 15 days non-stop without getting any random events that Scar/SRL/S.M.A.R.T can't solve or without getting stuck?

    Sure yeah. I myself can invent a report such as:

    Worked for 684 Hours, 28 Minutes and 12 Seconds
    Picked up feathers 159860 times.
    Killed 367530 chickens at a rate of 545 per hour

    All I have to do is whip out my calculator and make it look legit.

    Autoing for 15 days straight is also very dumb. It's a guaranteed way to get you banned and if you come here telling me that you autoed for 15 days non-stop and never got a ban then you are obviously lieng. No one can auto for 15 days straight trust me, not even 2 days straight let alone 15.

    Scar is still basically a colour clicker and yes colour clicking is outdated.
    When Scar came out colour clicking was a very good way to auto but as Jagex improved their graphics and ways to detect this, colour clicking was becoming very unaccurate as in I still see some bots clicking on colours on the floor that resemble the monster's colour.

    And as I said S.M.A.R.T is no way as good as RSBot's reflection.

    I let them auto overnight and stop them (in order to not get banned and make it look more legit) in the morning otherwise they'll keep on running for God knows how much. and any good autoer knows that he souldn't let his account auto for long periods without stopping.
     
  5. Unread #163 - Dec 28, 2008 at 2:31 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    because rsbot is for leechers, obiously that completly backs that point.


    Ummm, have you ever seen forefeathers? The script is flawless, and when fighting, the only randoms you can get is if you bury bones, so you can auto for weeks on end, I've done it with Narcles AutoFighter too.

    again, if you look in the coding of forefeathers, it has a breaking system, so you dont auto the whole time. Besides, Most people arent retarted when autoing, and hypersecret probably used 10+ accounts i would imagine.


    lol your so ignorant it hurts. Scar can be used with color clicking, and its called autocoloring which is used to get colors in a range of tolerance. Aswell, scar can use hooks similiar to rsbot, called reflection. Scar can use a large amount of the techniques rsbots uses.

    Lol. Reflection is used with scar, in conjunction with SMART. Reflection was coined by benland (if i recall correctly) the creator of smart. Rsbot uses hooks, exactly like reflection, except Rsbot hacks the client, and reflection does not.
     
  7. Unread #164 - Dec 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    I agree with Marcuss 100%.

    Forefeather's is by far the most accurate \ efficient script around... and it does not even use reflection. I auto'd with it for almost 9 days.
     
  9. Unread #165 - Dec 29, 2008 at 8:40 AM
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    I autoed it myself buddy. The progress report is actually roughly 2 weeks straight once when runescape didn't upate. I used tarajunky's chickenkiller (SRL Member only), so please don't sit here and call me a liar.

    The character I used it still up and running and autoing, currently working on his ranged with my script which runes 8+ hrs a night and runs without flaw. his stats are 40 att, 75 str, 40 def, and 50 ranged, it was on chickens so the stats aren't like 80+ like it would be on a different npc. Also I am not stupid and ran the script STRAIGHT threw without logging out or anything. I auto smart and add a breaker/sleeper to my scripts when I use them, randomly every 30-45 minutes takes a random 30sec to 5 min break, and every random 3-5 hours takes a random 1-3 hour sleep.

    2 days are you serious!?!? I could start my script right now and auto for a straight 2 days, like it is nothing!!! I have about 25 or so progress reports that record of 100 hours with fighting scripts, there are certain techniques to prevent randoms from coming while fighting ;), so shut up. 2 days on RSBot, yes that is great but SRL/SCAR that is punny.

    RSBot DOES NOT use reflection get it through your head.

    Also, even if they did both use reflection they would be the EXACT same. 1 reflection isn't better than the other...they probably both would use the same language which in return would have to use the same package/classes/methods etc... to do the exact same thing.


    Any good autoer knows how to auto without getting caught. I am pretty sure I have put in plenty, PLENTY more time than you in autoing and know how to auto more efficiently and safely than you do. I'll give you an exact amount of time when I view my SRL Stats. Over 600,000 minutes in autoing and only about 10 characters banned, if that. And ALL those were my 'abuse' characters for testing scripts.


    So your house is outdated? Your car is outdated? Your computer definitely is outdated? Heck your damn toilet, sink, shower are all outdated unless you have it all censor activated.

    As long as something (for the most part) works almost 100% perfectly, really it is not outdated. Is Microsoft Word 2003 outdated, since 2007 came out? NO, some people just don't have Vista or don't want to 'UPDATE' to 2007. Anyone who has XP then is OUTDATE too. Geez people need to get their shit up to date!

    I never play on their 'new' HD graphics, especially while autoing. There is absolutely no need to use the extra CPU if your not physically playing the game.

    If your using a script that clicks the ground...then you need to just find a better script. There is absolutely no reason why the script should click the ground unless the npc is moving to fast and makes it 'miss' the npc and not click the ground. Any script you use that is color base should use UpText to make sure it is the correct thing to click. And if it 'miss' clicks because of a moving npc, RSBot clicks the ground in that way too.

    Essentially what the bots are doing is finding the ID (RSBot/SMART Reflectioin)/Color and storing that into a coord then it clicks that coord. So if the npc moves from that coord between moving the mouse there and clicking, then you have a miss click. Using SCAR and SMART reflection you could even do a failsafe there and have it find the npc move the mouse via ID THEN check for uptext to make sure the npc is still there, then click. Geez SCAR is better again.
     
  11. Unread #166 - Dec 29, 2008 at 1:44 PM
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    So let me get this straight.
    Autoing for 2 weeks for you is that you wake up one day, auto for 8 hours, stop autoing, start autoing the next day for another 8 hours, do that for 7 days, then at the end of the week you do 8 * 7 = 56. You then do that for a couple of weeks (lets say 24 weeks) and you do 56 * 24 = 1344 and come here saying:
    Ohhh look mates Scar is sooooo good I managed to auto for 1344 hours straight omfg mates <3 Scar.

    Loool you call that a fair progress report?
    Anyone can do that with RSBot and come here posting that he autoed for months.
    Hell you can even do that with the most crappiest Runescape cheat ever and still make it look good.

    You didn't understand what I said now didn't you?
    I said that autoing for 2 days/48 hours straight without stopping is also guaranteed to get you banned and never said that you can't do 48 hours of autoing with RSBot...

    At the end of the day it still reads values from the Runescape client and works with does values.
    You just want to say that because RSBot is just an modified version of the Runescape Client.

    Well I'm not saying that you're a bad autoer but your progress report is implying that you ran for 15 days non-stop without actually stopping ([read the first part of my post to find out why]) which imo is extremely suspicious, I mean if someone played for 360 hours straight then I would be positive that the player is botting. 360 hours of straight gameplay is beyond any human.
    And btw I'm sure that you're a much better autoer than me, no doubt about that and you may know a lot more then I do about Runescape cheating but you're a Scar scripter so I'm not going to take your word on which is best as easy as you might think since your obviously defending Scar because you script for it.
    Mmmm I can also bet that you never used RSBot.

    What's that got to do, really???

    I was talking about the approach that Scar takes towards Runescape macroing and not about Scar being so old etc...
    If Jagex never made any updates and Runescape was left as it was when Scar initially came out then Scar would still be an awesome program to bot with but what you forgot is that throughout time Jagex have been updating Runescape more and more each day and have made serveral attempts to kill Scar and have managed to damage Scar quite a bit.

    Btw Microsoft Word or any other object have got nothing to do with this.
    Just because people are still using Microsoft Office 2003 doesn't prove that Scar is not a bit outdated.

    With the same reasoning I can go buy an IBM 5100 which was invented in 1974/5 and go tell everyone that it's a very good computer since Boeing 747s came out in 1970 and are still running strong till date.

    Hell with the same reasoning I can also go and use Aryan since it was invented in the last couple of years and say that Aryan is a great way to bot undetected because Microsoft Office 2003 is older than Aryan but is still being used nowadays.

    Yes I know that and it doesn't really bother me at all.
    It just clicks the ground because Jagex made some of the colours on the ground resemble the npcs that the script is working on.

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    Anyway I'll stick to RSBot and you stick to Scar if you think that it's that good.
    Even though the RSBot client might be quite detectable, RSBot is still more human like than Scar making it more undetectable.
    Anyway if the RSBot client become detected (which has never happened btw) I'm sure that I'll find out before actually use it but till that happens (if it ever happens which I highly doubt) I'll keep on using RSBot and if the RSBot client becomes detected I'm sure that Speljohan will always be there to make it undetected again.
     
  13. Unread #167 - Dec 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
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    My analogies towards thing being outdated was because you said SCAR is outdated. Simply stating that those things are outdated but that doesn't mean they still aren't fine and 100% workable.

    You really are a leecher man. Just because the color is on the ground that is similar to the npc still means it SHOULD NOT click the ground randomly like you are stating SCAR does...

    You also don't comprehend what someone is saying. I am stating I autoed for the straight 360 hours without stopping SCAR. I didn't keep the player logged in for a straight 360 hours but either way a script still ran a player for 360 hours. Read how I did it in the previous post...

    Who says I am just a SCAR scripter ?
     
  15. Unread #168 - Dec 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    Code:
    import com.speljohan.rsbot.script.*;
    import com.speljohan.rsbot.script.wrappers.*;
    //Importing all the Script functions and Wrappers (Objects, NPC's, Characters)
    
    public class VWM extends Script{    //Declaring name + saying it's a script (filename should be same as the part between class and extends eg. ScriptBase.java)
    
    	public RSTile[] toVWMPath  = { new RSTile(3186, 3430), new RSTile(3175, 3428),
    							       new RSTile(3168, 3417), new RSTile(3167, 3404),
    							       new RSTile(3171, 3392), new RSTile(3176, 3380) };
    							   
    	public RSTilePath vwmPath = new RSTilePath(toVWMPath, this);
    		
    	public int[] gasRocks = { 11424, 11425, 11426,
    			11427, 11428, 11429, 11430, 11431, 11432, 11433, 11434, 11435,
    			11169, 11170, 11171, 11172, 11173, 11174, 11175, 11176, 11177,
    			11178, 11179, 11180, 11181, 11182 };
    							   					
    	public int[] tinRocks = {11959, 11957};
    	//public int tinRockInv = ;
    	
    	public int[] miningRocks = {11955, 11956, 11954, 11950, 11948};
    	//public int ironRockInv = ;
    	
    	public int[] clayRocks = {15505, 15503};
    	//public int clayRockInv = ;
    	
    	public int[] silverRocks = {11950, 11948};
    	//public int silverRockInv = ;
    	
    	//public int[] gemRocks = { 1617, 1619, 1621, 1623 };
    	
    	public int[] pickAxeTypes = {1275, 1265, 1269, 1267, 1273, 1271};
    	
    	public int[] bankWindow = {11402};
    	
    	public int trip;
    
        public String getName() {  //Name of the Script
            return "VWM";   //between "" what will show up in RSBot script selector
        }
    
        public double getVersion() {   //Version of the Script
            return 0.1;       //what will show up in RSBot script selector
        }
    
        public String getAuthor() { //Author of the Script
            return "HyperSecret";   //what will show up in RSBot script selector
        }
    
        public boolean onStart(String[] args) {  //First thing run, when a Script is started (holds an array called "args" which contain the arguments put in by user in Script Selector
            trip = 0;
            return true;   //return true = Start Script; return false = Don't Start Script
        } 
        
        private boolean waitTillStopped() {
    
    		do {
    			wait(random(750, 1000));
    		} while(getMyPlayer().isMoving() == true);
    
    		return true;
    	}
    	
    	public RSTile walkTo(int tileX, int tileY) {
    		
    		walkTileMM(new RSTile(tileX, tileY));
    		waitTillStopped();
    		return getMyPlayer().getLocation();
    	
    	}
    	
    	public RSTile toVWMCenter() {
    		return walkTo(3178 + random(-2, 1), 3368 + random(-1, 1));
    	}
    	
    	public RSTile toBanker() {
    		return walkTo(3189 + random(-2, 1), 3435);
    	}
    	//tin = 0; iron = 1; silver = 2; clay = 3;
    	public RSTile toRocks(int rockType) {
    		
    		
    		setRun(true);
    		
    		switch (rockType) {
    			
    			case 0: walkTo(3172 + random(-1, 1), 3365 + random(-1, 1));
    			case 1: walkTo(3175 + random(-1, 1), 3367 + random(-1, 1));
    			case 2: walkTo(3175 + random(-1, 1), 3365 + random(-1, 1));
    			case 3: walkTo(3180 + random(-1, 1), 3371 + random(-1, 1));
    		}
    		trip = 1;
    		return null;
    	} 
    	
    	public boolean inBank() {
    	
    		if (tileOnMap(new RSTile(3189, 3435))) {
    			return true;	
    		} else return false;
    	}
    	
    	public boolean inMine() {
    		
    		if (tileOnMap(new RSTile(3178, 3368))) {
    			return true;
    		} else return false;
    	}
    	
    	public boolean toVWM() {
    		
    		toBanker();
    		
    		try {
    			vwmPath.walkToEnd(); 
    		} catch(Exception e) {
    			e.printStackTrace();
    		}
    		
    		waitTillStopped();
    		toVWMCenter();
    		
    		if (distanceTo(new RSTile(3178, 3368)) < 5) {
    			return true;
    		} else return false;
    	}
    	
    	public boolean toVWB() {
    		
    		setRun(false);
    		toVWMCenter();
    		
    		try {
    			vwmPath.walkToStart(); 
    		} catch(Exception e) {
    			e.printStackTrace();
    		}
    
    		waitTillStopped();
    		toBanker();
    		
    		if (distanceTo(new RSTile(3189, 3435)) < 5) {
    			return true;
    		} else return false;
    	}
    	
    	public void bankOres() {
    		try {
    			
    			atObject(findObject(bankWindow), "Use-quickly");
    			wait(random(750, 1250));
    			depositAllExcept(pickAxeTypes);
    			trip--;
    			
    			switch (random(0, 1)) {
    			
    				case 0: break;
    				case 1: closeBank();
    			}
    		} catch(Exception e) {
    			e.printStackTrace();
    		}		
    	}
    	
    	public void runAway() { // running away and running back after a while
    		RSTile foo, bar;
    		foo = getMyPlayer().getLocation();
    		setRun(true);
    
    		bar = new RSTile(foo.getX() + random(8, 10), foo.getY() + random(8, 10));
    
    		walkTileMM(bar);
    		while (getMyPlayer().isMoving()) {
    			wait(random(2000, 4000));
    		}
    		wait(random(1000, 2000));
    		walkTileMM(foo);
    	} 
    	
    	public void mine() {
    		RSObject rock = null;
    		
    		try {
    		
    		rock = findObject(miningRocks);
    		
    		if (distanceTo(rock) > 5) {
    			wait(random(250, 1000));
    		} else atObject(rock, "Mine");
    		
    		do {
    			wait(random(250, 750));
    			if (getMyPlayer().isInCombat() && !getMyPlayer().isMoving()) {
    				runAway();
    				wait(random(250, 500));
    			}
    			if (findObject(gasRocks) != null) {
    				walkTo(getMyPlayer().getLocation().getX() + random(-2, 2), getMyPlayer().getLocation().getY() + random(-2, 2));
    			}
    		} while(getMyPlayer().getAnimation() == 624);
    		
    		} catch(Exception e) {
    			e.printStackTrace();
    		}
    	}
    
        public int loop() {  //Main function of the Script  
            
            if (!isLoggedIn()) {
            	trip = 0;
            }
            
        	if (!isInventoryFull() && inBank()) {
        		toVWM();
        	} 
        	
        	if (trip == 0 && inMine()) {
        		setRun(true);
        		walkTo(3175 + random(-1, 1), 3367 + random(-1, 1));
        		trip++;
        		do {
        			wait(10);
        		} while(getMyPlayer().isMoving() == true);
        	}
        	
        	if (inMine()) {
        		mine();
        	}
        	
        	if (isInventoryFull() && inMine()) {
        		toVWB();
        	} else if (isInventoryFull() && inBank()) {
        		bankOres();
        	}
        	
        	if (isInventoryFull() && inBank()) {
        		bankOres();
        	}
        	
            return 0;  // Time to restart the loop method, advised to be random; return -1 = Stop Script
        }
    
    }
    
    Looks like an RSBot script to me...

    I have another one that Mines, Woodcuts, fishes and firemakes and cook via firemaking in draynor. Well I had, I deleted it along with this miner off my laptop.

    This was on my pastebin.
     
  17. Unread #169 - Dec 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM
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    I didn't exactly say that it's completely outdated.
    All I said that it's 'somewhat outdated' compared to other new bots such as RSBot and iBot.
    [Tbh iBot is better than RSBot btw.]
    Scar is still a great way to auto these days but it's a bit unaccurate because sometimes it clicks the floor because it thinks that it's an npc.
    (I'm concluding this from my Scar experience btw. I'll admit that I've used several excellent scripts in the past, and HyperSecret's and Jethr0x's scripts were no exceptions but I've also used terrible scripts. One of these terrible scripts was also bought a respectable Scar scripter over at moparisthebest. As I said before I'm not mentioning names as it causes bad rep.)

    Personally I'd like to see how Scar would solve certain random events such without S.M.A.R.T i.e with just colour/bmps/dtm/text etc... finding. I'm not saying that it can't be done but it involves a lot of hard work without using any Reflection.

    Well it happens to me whilst using Narcle's Auto Fighter, and it doesn't happen because the npc would have moved away by the time Scar gets the npc's coordinates and moves the mouse.
    Now either it's not working properly or it doesn't have a procedure that checks if the text displayed at the top left corner of the screen is the npc's name that the script is working with whilst the mouse is hovered onto the detected colour.

    No, I understood you perfectly.
    What I told you was that you can't say that the script worked for 360 hours because the character took breaks in between.
    The amount of hours in a progress report should end when the character stops autoing even when the script logged him out for anti ban reasons because when your saying that the character autoed for 360 hours straight to me your implying that the character was doing a certain task for literally 360 hours str8 without even loggin out whatsoever. At least thats how I understand it and always understood it. Thats why I initially found it hard to believe that you autoed for 360 hours str8.

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    Well nowadays I'm not into Scar that much so I apologize if I don't everything about Scar and it's community.

    Anyway I think that the poll results prove my point.
    I don't think that everyone is an ignorant bastard like I may seem to be to you guys :p
     
  19. Unread #170 - Dec 29, 2008 at 8:39 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    Right now randoms are ONLY solved with color/bmps/dtms/text etc... there is absolutely NO random solving done via reflection in the SRL Include. Only if you download the Reflection will you get some randoms solved via reflection.

    And SRL has solved just as many randoms as any other bot out there and doing it with color etc...


    I also have scripted in iBot/neXus but pretty much the same thing as RSBot just different named methods, classes, etc... since they both are scriptable in java.


    Surprised to actually realize that I have scripted in other than SCAR/SRL?
     
  21. Unread #171 - Dec 29, 2008 at 9:07 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    If you tell me that you know Java or C# I wouldn't be surprised at all but if not I'd be a little surprised tbh.

    If it wasn't for SRL, Scar wouldn't be where it is today for sure.

    SRL is very well developed and there's a very good community behind it. If something similar to SRL had to come out for RSBot I'd be very happy but unfortunately the RSBot forums suck. It has been down for several times, many dedicated members were lost because of te way the forums are run and there's a lot of confusion going around on RSBot.

    I personally love SRL and was amazed at how vast SRL really is the first time I actually looked into it.
    SRL is really great because there is literally every function that any Scar scripter could possibly want or dream of already written by professional Scar scripters.
    If I was an RSBot scripter I'd be really jealous.
     
  23. Unread #172 - Dec 29, 2008 at 9:23 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    i would have to go with scar ive heard that rsbot is quite popular so i gave it a try and i just dont like it maybe cause im used to scar. rsbot has a heaps higher ban rate as well doesnt it i wud never auto my main on it ever i find that rsbot has shit all failsafes i set up a wcer on it came back an hour l8a and my account was logged in but not still at the welcome screen thats just pathetic

    yes that is an awsum script to train up a new army i also rekon wizzup?s essminer and narcles auto fighter is sweet fav scipts ever

    EDIT: i rekon so many people like rsbot because it is made for learchers and so easy for them to learn to use
     
  25. Unread #173 - Dec 29, 2008 at 10:09 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    I haven't tested RSBot lately, since their whole site issue. Thought I have also heard that the Click To Continue login screen has issues logging in.
     
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    yea that sumtimes doesnt work 4 me it pisses me off because scar is done and half rsbots scripts arnet working
     
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    Hmmm that never happened to me, and I've tried most RSBot scripts and they all worked perfectly for me.
    Maybe your doing something wrong?
    When you compile the scripts do you get any errors in particular?
     
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    Scar and RSBot

    It is apparent that xRaIDeNx69 has no idea how Jagex's anti-ban system works. People have made test accounts that just stand in RuneScape, doing nothing. Logged on for 2-3 days... and NO BAN!

    It is true no one except Jagex Moderators know how the exact macro-detection system works. Maybe time spent on the game matters a little... but it would be such a little factor in a ban.

    Do you have swiftkit? If so, track "Gertjaars". 53M exp in 1 week? He must have been on A LOT! But damn... he's not banned ;(!

    You sir, do not seem to understand that reading something, is less ban-able than hacking something, then injecting mouse directly into the client.
     
  33. Unread #177 - Dec 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM
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    Scar and RSBot

    Good point but anyway I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    You're right and that's the only thing that's holding RSBot a bit back. But I'm not talking about how detectable the client is, I'm talking about how detectable a macroing character is that's using either RSBot or Scar.
     
  35. Unread #178 - Dec 31, 2008 at 11:48 AM
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    Scar and RSBot

    The one thing I did notice about RSBot that I like a little better than in SRLs default is the curvature of the mouse when moving. The SRL doesn't have as much of a curve when moving the mouse as RSBot. SRL you can't see the curving (even though it is there) like you can with RSBot.

    I change my settings after every SRL rev is submitted because I think a little more curvature is more human like.
     
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    Scar and RSBot

    Scar by 100*

    More undetectable
    Better community
    I don't care if it is user friendly.
    Flexible.
     
  39. Unread #180 - Jan 1, 2009 at 6:04 PM
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    Scar and RSBot

    I have to agree with you on that one.
    User friendliness does not make a bot better than other bots.
    It's totally irrelevant imo.

    Hell I'd rather use the hardest to setup bot but most undetectable.
     
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