The Existence of God

Yes you are on the losing side, for the past few months Shredderbeam and others have torn theists apart in this thread. All they do when they are defeated in a debate is just leave this thread in denial without acknowledgment of defeat.

 

I do not call him God. God is a supreme being, but I believe in my own supreme being... Ham & Swiss Bagels. No, seriously though, yes, I think God is a real being.

 

Why do you believe in God?

 

Yes, I believe in God. If you don't believe in God, then you can't believe in heaven, and therefore no afterlife, and therefore you will never see loved ones again if they die. So yes, I believe in God.

 

x is comforting does not imply x is true. Please provide rational reasoning or get out.

 

Faith takes no reasoning, leave the people with their beliefs.

 

Why do you believe that God exists?

There are atheistic religions that believe in an afterlife.

Your beliefs do not define reality. Whether or not you believe in an afterlife does not change whether one actually exists.

This is the debate forum.

 

If this is so, then you admit that theists are irrational and therefore must bow out of the debate.

I think we have a winning team people.

 

Yes, but what if you are actually crushing people's spirits by telling them this? They already have high hopes of the other side of lives, who are you to crush their feelings of seeing their loved ones.

Without it, what is there for them to hope for after their short life on this earth is over? I think rotting in the ground is not a pretty thought to think about while your on your death bead.

 

x is comforting does not imply x is true. I could give a shit about their feelings.

 

This Isn't a thread about how the opinion one has makes them emotionally feel making the other opposing side not be able to debate because of this, you are ignorant, regardless why they have faith or hope in their religion, the point is there is going to be debate, regardless if you crush there spirits, thats like saying one side cant debate because they may emotionally effect the opposiong side.

 

I haven't been here for awhile; however, it looks like this topic is still going strong. Here are a few things I've said in the past with minor edits

Here is why

Furthermore, just because there is no evidence of something does not mean one could assert it's false. Stating that god is "false" because he/she hasn't proven to be true is called argument ad ignorantiam, it is a logical fallacy. And therefore, it should not be used a as a valid argument in one's claim that god doesn't exist.

This is a Liar Paradox; it argues that Omnipotence is impossible. Not the "God that about half of the world's population believes in." I'll explain

A few more points to be made on this "rock" topic.

Conclusively,

"The absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence" - Rumsfeld

The fact is, there is just as little, if not less, proof that there isn't a god. The inability to prove god exists does not indicate that god is fictitious. If anything, it's possible that we, humans, are unable to understand the complexity that is god, and therefore, are unable to see/sense that he/she is all around us.

Neither side can prove their case beyond a doubt. Whether one decides to believe in god or not, one wil always be taking a "leap of faith." In the end...

"To each his own."

 

Atheism and the belief that humans are the greatest civilization of all time are unrelated.

Empirical methods might be invalid if there was a higher power that was undetectable by them - however, note the "if". You would still need to demonstrate that a God actually exists, or else you would be playing the game of unsupported speculation.

I am familiar with the argument ad ignoratum, but you misunderstand my use of that particular argument. I am not asserting that the lack of evidence is conclusive proof that there is no God, I am asserting that the lack of evidence means that one can reasonably disbelieve in God, the same way that one might disbelieve in Santa Claus or pixies.

If you think about it for a minute, you might realize that the notion of empirical evidence demonstrating the non-existence of a being is actually impossible. Empirical evidence can only affirm the positive in this situation - so there will never, and can never be proof that a deity doesn't exist, just as there is no direct evidence that shows that Santa, leprechauns, or Martians don't exist. All we have is a lack of evidence.

In the end, if one side believes in a being that they freely admit that they have not experienced, or found conclusive evidence for, they are being irrational and are useless to debate with.

 

Youd think id be eating this thread up lol. Not enough time to skim 79 pages lol. But yeah I do believe, Darren >_> rofl.

Me and shred debate this all the time, but he ALWAYS has a retort lol. You make me proud Shredder lol

 

Thanks, but why do you believe?

 

Because, it seems that science always tries to throw off what "Could" be circulur truisms and such and try to portray the evident things. God to me, even though ill never see him in physical form, is someone/something i can believe in. I feel this energy every time im at the alter or im at church, and i know its not the air from the vents. Darren I cant explain why i believe inasmuch as to tell you that all my life there have been tradgedies, but somehow, EVERY time, everything seems to be ok.

I throw away fact and fiction and simply follow my heart, as ignorant as that may seem. I have hope, in something that may very well be unreal and untrue, but i know in my heart that i will answer for my choices one day. And hey, who knows, i may be right, or i may be wrong, but I'll let my Lord decide that for me, as its not my place, nor anyone else's.

Shredder, i just hope you respect my beliefs and understand that I really DON'T understand. I put you on a pedastel because you read between the lines and you pick out the not so obvious. You are a smart man, but a better friend, there is none.

 

When I was religious, I used to think that I could feel God too. When I began to see that there was no evidence of a God, I still thought I could feel his presense, but that vanished rather quickly. It seems that I was wishing that feeling into existence.

I've been through tragedies too - and everything tends to work out as well. I don't go from this to an intelligent being that sits outside the universe directly interested in my everyday affairs, though.

Well, it IS your place to determine whether or not your beliefs are correct. I'm assuming you follow the empirical method for all other areas of your life (are leprechauns following me, can I fly, is there food in the refrigerator, etc.), so why not with regard to your religious beliefs?

Sure I respect them, and thanks.

 

You make good talk. Im not so empirical with anything else in my life lol. I dont try to see if i can fly and leprachans are scary (i typo'd that owell).

Just empirical as far as my religious outlook is concerned.

I also understand what you mean about tragedies and such and how they work out. But i believe they work out for a REASON, not by chance. Fate or what have you.


And you're welcome.

 

there is no such thing as god, its a myth passed down and down family to family of a man who fixed a fence!~@@@@@@ works magics

 

I dont understand why Atheists always try to disprove religion. When they disprove religion it is usually the christian religion.

They might want to stand up for what they believe, but they usually fight with such a hate for religion.

Why try to disprove religion? We have our beliefs you have yours.

The reason Christian people try to argue is becase with religion something happens after death therefore having a valid reason to argue. Athiests think that after you die you will have no existance therefore haveing to need to disprove religion.