User Education is a joke

See here: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=517933

 

LOL +1

I know, you can't be expected to create a website with the information they give you in that thread. It's lacking so much.

 

I think the biggest problem is the laxness of the selection of UEs themselves. Unless you either have a background in a skill or have studied something a lot, you are not qualified to write guides. An engineer, an engineering student or someone who can debate engineering with an engineering student is qualified to write an engineering guide. Someone who built their first website last Friday and knows a few buzzwords is not.

This probably comes down to the Head User Educators. A vast, vast, majority of tech guide writers are ignorant about the technology they are using, and therefore should not spread their inferences over to the public as fact. The only solution is to appoint Head User Educators specific to one discipline (The Head Technology User Educator should be a computer science student).

Naturally, none of the above applies to Runescape, other than to hide that section away and hope no-one notices that we are still fixated on 1899's hottest game.

 

If you are talking about Infected's thread, I agree. User Education does need some stricter boundaries in my opinion. One of my personal suggestions was that guides in that section be invisible until verified by a moderator, similar to the dispute section. However, several more User Education moderators would be needed if that were to be possible.

The quality of user's guides has indeed gone downhill; it is not even "education" anymore. Unfortunately this is not likely to change; what I belive to be the main problem is people posting pointless guides like Project Euler: Project One or How to rename the recycle bin. Who really gives a shit?

Perhaps instead of complaining you could make it your goal to contribute rather than criticize?

 

So basically, you're saying that our mindset must be that of a Teacher, or one who can inform others in great detail?

I know quite a lot about France: Its language, culture, and country.

So, are you one to say that all I should be allowed to do is to write Guides on how to learn French? Or are you just saying that you must have that mindset of a Teacher to be qualified to write such Guides to inform others?

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I do agree, however, that the UE is lacking.
-We've lost 3 Members: Nathan III, Python, MatthewGor123

This simply does not make User Education a joke, but simply modivate yourself to get involved, so you can make Guides to set a new example. If you don't particularly like how a certain section is, then post there as The Viper000 said to improve it, and to help others out.

 

I care, I always wanted to know how to solve Project Eular problems.

 

Not sure if this is necessarily true..

I think you can write a guide without being an expert in the field of which it pertains to. It's kind of like saying if you are a doctor you can't be good at engineering, when we both know you can be.

 

You are exactly right. You are knowledgeable about France, but you are not knowledgeable about anything else, apparently, so you should only write about France. Perhaps a guide on proper etiquette for a tourist?

I would rather the guides were of limited use, but in great detail and of great use to those who have more intellectual pursuits than chasing cars, than that they were written by failed moderators and were of no use to anyone.

Someone who studies one intensive course, like medicine, to the point where they are competent physically cannot have the time to comprehend engineering to a point not easily reached by an interested layman.

 

So, then, you are directly criticizing all of the works that I have created.

Please, tell me what you do not like about each of my Guides.
-Exempt the Guide "How Not to Spam".

By the way, my Guides link is in my Signature.

If you say that I am not knowledgeable about anything else, then I would love to be informed.

 

Yes but unless you have engineering training, then you won't be good at it. So you shouldn't be able to teach it to anyone.

 

I think user education is an excellent position on these forums. People complain when they tell you something you are doing is wrong, but what about the constant people asking for advice or help training a skill? Hmm? Personally I'd rather be a UE than a mod. Modship is awesome no doupt though

 

Well, for one thing, it is contestable that 0 is not a natural number. I think you are confusing natural and counting numbers.

For another, (http://i33.tinypic.com/34p185x.jpg) the effect on the body is not a legal issue.

Your guides are riddled with mistakes like this, that misinform and mislead your audience. You do not have sufficient knowledge to teach.

 

No the selection is quite good actually. None of the UE's I have seen have written guides that detail how to ____ after just learning how. And it is not up to you to decide how qualified someone is, most people just post to help everyone out. They took the time because they wanted you to benefit, is that such a crime?

There is only one head User Educator, The Dark, and he seems qualified enough for me, as well as the Staff.

That was really witty! Did you spend all night thinking that up? Why are you even here on Sythe if you are uninterested in the game. That was the purpose for which the site was originally created. If you don't like it, then why the fuck are you here?

 

It is a crime for people to be rewarded for spreading misinformation, in my eyes.

Evidently, The Dark is incapable of vetting the User Educators.

Oh, boo-fucking-hoo, I don't like Runescape, I'm sure it invalidates your life.

 

You're being pretty harsh.

 

I can not be held solely responsible for every post in the User Educator section. The example you chose on how to make a website was kept for the benefit of those unsure on how to make a website. Yes I understand it's extremely basic and it a guide on how to use a website, but the User Education section is to help everyone, not just people on advanced levels. You're all as bad as each other for bitching about it, when you could actually get up and help make it a better place for everyone.

 

Where is this stated? And if in the Math Guide, it was written by both MatthewGor123 and I, and I don't remember writing a section for that.

I said that the effect on the body is a legal issue? The essay itself was supposed to be written over a Rule disallowed in your home or school, and my view on that particular subject.
I chose to write over Drugs and Alcohol, for they are not allowed in school or home. The only exception, of course, is if you're over 18 for in your residence.

You cannot say such things without backing them up with proof.

"Like this" is a vague expression of understanding, and I don't believe you read through every Guide that quickly.

What reasoning binds you to the belief that I do not have sufficient knowledge to teach. And, in that, who say that anyone can teach, if they are not certified as a Teacher themselves?

 

The system is being pretty shit.

You need sub-Head User Educators, to manage particular domains.

Basic is not the same as lacking in detail, basic is not the same as being riddled with mistakes, and basic is not the same as being useless.

A basic guide on how to build a website should be basic in the sense that it is possible to read it, and come away with the idea of how to build a website but not have to wade through oceans of difficult computer science before they do so, but, a basic guide should not be a poor guide, and it should not be lacking the detail so that it is possible to go further than "how do I make the background red". A guide that is lacking this is not a basic guide, but a bad guide, and you should be questioning why it is we need bad guides, especially on things like web design, where we have genuine experts in residence.

Both of the mistakes I pointed out came from images in your guides. I will admit that I did not read them all, but I clicked two links and picked out two mistakes before I had read a full screen of information. Pathetic.

Please don't start that sort of reasoning with me, because there is no central authority on who is a good enough teacher, other than The Dark, who has judged that you are. I am within my rights to disagree, and my opinion is supported by the evidence I've already posted. I have no intention of pointing out your every error.

 

I love you

 

Word of preference? Basic.

The "mistakes" you pointed out were not mistakes at all. I simply presented to you exactly what they are, and you failed to respond appropriately. You just responded basically, saying, "I don't know how to back up my words."

And you have every right to Disagree, but the Forum Feedback Rules also state:

Apparently your Feedback is not an act of Praise on my part, or any other Staff Members part either.

Your great contribution to this Thread has been noted. >.<

I'm done here....