The Existence of God

Am I religious? Yes. Do I believe in God? No.

If I can't prove it with science, it doesn't exist imho.

I am Wiccan. I am religious because I believe in the Wiccan values. Though some people who practice Wicca believe in the Goddess, I don't believe in that part of Wicca. Wicca is a religion that melds to everyone and provides them with what they need. I am Wiccan because the only rule is "Be it harm none, do you what ye will" aka be yourself, just don't hurt people. And that's what i believe in.

 

Ill post small sections of A book I have.

The Choice: Islam And Christianity.

Muhammed Mentioned in the Bible:
His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is altogether lovely, this is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of jerusalem.Songs of soloman 5;16

From the original hebrew manuscript the word Muhammed-im is Trqanslated as Altogether lovely, which is actually the word muhammed with im added. Im is the plural of respect in hebrew.

Third Party Evidence;
The Amazing thing about the christians sworn affidavi(Mark, Matthew, John, Luke) is that not a single one of them is duly attested. Not a single one bears the signature of its Author in the so called originals. They Now boast of bein in possession of over 24,00 originals in which no two originals are the same.

Islam has only one version. The Quran.

Those are Just two points pointing Islam as the word Of god. I remember Shredderbeam putting a thread about science and islam. Search it its a good read.
AS About whether there is a god or not, But i Just have One surah from the Quran that i base this on.

Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.

 

I actually worship the pikachu that orbits Saturn. I mean, there is no proof it doesn't exist!
anyway
Burden of proof is on the person who asserts the positive and just because a lot of people believe in god does not make it true.

 

All of Egypt believed in Osiris, Anubis, Horus etc.

All of Greece believed in Zeus, Poseidon, Hermes, etc.

All the Romans believed in Saturn, Jupiter, and Mercury, etc.

Just because some doddery old priest tells you it exists doesn't make it true. Did you not read what I said about Mark and the heretical gospel? There have been countless cover ups that prove the Christian faith, and other faiths, to be untrue. Just because you are ignorant does not make you right. I also don't give a shit if half the world believes, that in no way increases the percentage that it exists.

And do I have proof that it doesn't exist? No.

But you are a scammer. I don't have any proof whatsoever, but its still true. "Do you have any proof that it doesn't" is the stupidest argument I've heard concocted. Don't even try.

 

The majority of people do not have a very good track record for being right. You might look to more scientific circles.

Can you explain the concept of evidence of an entity's non-existence?

"The Christian gospels were not signed, but the Quran was."

I don't see how that is evidence that the Quran is true.

It's an awful read. The words were twisted, outright lies were told, and facts were misinterpreted.

Empirical evidence please.

 

For everyone thats gonna say god aint real, think first, how was the world created then i'd like to know, since there was nothing, and nothing appears, until you can answer how everything was created when there was no universe in the start, dont say god isnt real. And, i also believe in god since i was saved before, since stuff just doesnt lock itself, now does it.

 

You're using the argument from ignorance. Don't use logical fallacies in SFA.

 

Nothing really "has" to exist in order for the world to exist.

There is the Universe and Galaxies, among many other things in this world. Just because you don't understand, or can grasp the reality that you don't know how the world was created doesn't mean that you instantly believe that it had to be God.

In my opinion, the Bible was a book created by a crazy man, and its story intrigued many, which then turned into a religion of which people live by.

I agree with Shredderbeam, as in not using logical fallacies in the SFA, or perhaps at all.

 

Shredder, i told you to tell me why the universe appeared then, please, and if i dont have the right to instantly believe it was god, what gives you the right to say god isnt real, then?

 

I didn't say that you had no right to believe in God. I told you to not use a logical fallacy in SFA.

 

I wasent even talking to you about the last part, but ill say what i want, if you cant prove it wrong then you really have no right to say gods real, or hes not real, i find it stupid when people debate about it when its not possible to answer.

 

If you cannot debate intelligently, you do not belong here.

The burden of proof is upon the believer.

 

Well you say that it is wrong to say that we have no right to say that God does not exist without proof.

So, what makes it "proper" for you to say that God exists without emperical evidence beyond that of a Bible.

You seriously think that a Book written by many people just proves the existance of God?
-You're gullible...

 

I said thats god real because i believe it, you say he isnt real because you dont believe it, and i never said i believed everything in the bible, did i? I know gods there, the bible might, or might not be true, no one can say if it is or not, so you cannot call me guillible, i believe in god, because want to.

 

You can say what you want, but using logical fallacies will earn you a SFA forumban.

I agree.

 

Then ban me.. lol? And you obviously didnt read what i said, you have no right to call me guillible because i believe in something.

 

But the only cause for your belief is the belief of many others. Bandwagon jumping as a reason for faith? I think that's quite irrational, and the mark of a gullible man who believes the word of others to be the word of truth regardless of scenario.

 

/clap for Captain Obvious.

Well, if you do not believe everything in the Bible, are you then saying that some of the prophecies were never existant?
Which parts of the bible do you not believe to be true?

I can call you gullible because you believe in a God.

 

That isnt the cause, i could care less, people hate me for believing in god, it doesnt matter to me, it was only my choice, thats why i believe in god, is there really any other reason then faith to believe in god.

Just because im christian, doesnt mean i read the whole bible, i wouldnt know which are true, or not true, i just believe there is one god, and i do know 1/3 of the bible isnt released to public, and the bible has been re written, just like people say jesus was born on december 25th while he was born in may / spetember *Do not know which* Anyways, im going off, i believe in god, and you believe there is no god, the only thing to debate about is whether or not you believe in him, which i find kind of weird. Also, you cant call me guillible because i believe in him, its not like i can call you guillible for not, so why can you call me it?

 

But your faith is based on the Bible, which was written and passed down by other people. Had other people not believed in the Bible, it would have just been discarded and you would be brainwashed by some other text. Why don't you practice Buddhism? Hinduism? Judaism?

That's because we have valid reasons for disbelieving, such as: NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. You don't.

Define: Gullible.

You seem to be cheated quite easily by the proposal of a Bible being the so-called proof. Why don't you practice any other religions, may I ask?