Illegal immigrants

These facts are backed up by the sources from which they where obtained which the link to the sources are pasted below aswell.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
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2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free
school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally
and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal
aliens, known as anchor babies.
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6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
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7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
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8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American
taxpayers.
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9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
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10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white
non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
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11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as
many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
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12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and
$23 0 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http:// www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
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'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
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The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

So when you think about all the stuff people complain about our tax money being spent on, including the war and other things, think about what you have read above.

 

High five!

 

Adding on to what Shredder said, why are they a problem? Simply because they're getting jobs? They're helping? How do you think Europeans feel when you go into their country with your flashy cameras and whatnot? They want a better life, because the one where they are at the moment obviously sucks, so they go to your country.

Who are you to discuss the cons of why someone wants a better life..?

 

English soldiers forcefully occupying and ruling part of Ireland is quite different from a few English civilians moving there.

 

Then they can become legal, and not cost America about 340B dollars a year (points up a few posts). On top of this, they can also not create tons of social problems - gang wars, drug trafficking, whatever. I have nothing against legal immigration. If they want to kill each other and smuggle drugs, what the fuck do I care? I wouldn't care if they just didn't cost my family thousands of tax dollars to fix their shit - but they do.

 

Well said. I completely agree. I was going to post the site xestrox posted, but I'm not sure if it is 100% accurate, or just a bunch of speculation. I agree though if they want to come here legally and have gang wars and drug trafficking like some other races do (not mentioning any) then let them. I would rather not have it, but if they are legal it won't cost our country as much.

 

first of all, how are they helping, second of all id love to hear your answer on this question, where do you get the impression that america's tourist that travel to countries such as europe angers them? countries and states love tourism, seeing as it draws in a lot of money, benefiting the overall welfare of the country and boosts their economy, secondly what the illegal immigrants are doing is not considered "tourism" if so i'd love to see where you got your definition of the word at, because what you are trying to do is re-define the word to mislead people, and why do you think their country sucks? "OH NO IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE COILD IT?" if not than what is it? why does their country suck? so you want them to make our country suck? how do you expect america to remain a 1st world country when you allow 3rd world countries into it, aswell as their is a legal way for them to come here, by them illegal coming here that makes them a law breaker, meaning they already show no respect for our countries laws, aswell as its not helping our country because if you would please take the time to read my most previous post on this thread regarding this it lists the sources which i obtained my information, and i'd love to hear your explanation on how the illegal immigrants coming here and costing our country $338.3billion dollars a year is benefiting us, im highly guessing you will either flame me or reply to me with an ignorant message without even answering my questions because you know it contradicts your arguement, thats if you even try to comment me.

Thanks and Regards,

Miranda

 

the information is accurate, and i agree with you that having them here legal and them committing crimes would be a lot better than them coming here illegally, let alone smuggling drugs on the way and then causing problems for the USA, aswell as the statistics oback a few years back when they had the million man march for illegal immigrants, the areas the most of them came from had averages of around 27% less rapes on that day, and around 15% less car stealings, im not 100% sure about the averages on the million man march event and reduced crime due to it that day, though i will check and get back to you all about it.

 

I suppose you forgot the fact that immigrants aren't the only ones who kill, and create gang wars, ect? You're putting the entire blame on immigration, like without immigrants, your country wouldn't have drugs and gangs, and whatnot.

America, for the majority stereotype, is lazy. Will those immigrants not do the jobs that are essential to atleast moderate living, that the lazy Americans won't do? Yes, they will.

Whether or not in a different place, a human is a human. Your country has long depleted it's title of richest country. Your government is in so much debt, right now, it's ridiculous. Not even with immigration. It may draw the leaders or government of that certain place a particular amount of gross, but for the most part, the citizens in most of those places don't enjoy having filthy Americans pollute their land. Am I wrong, or are Europeans whole-heartedly welcoming Americans, the country that brags and puts them down?

Tourism
tour·ism
n.
1. The practice of traveling for pleasure.

However, I'm sure that'll you'll disagree, and try to make your invalid point that trying to build a better life isn't pleasurable.

I'm sure you'll say that their country sucks, because you believe that your country is the best? What is this, a defense on the basis that one - hundred years ago, your country had a title of best country in the world? The countries that are 3rdworld, and poverty line, are that way because of the governing that is happening because of it. Fidel Castro ruled Cuba for 32 years, and by his bad governing, made Cuba the 3-rd world society that it is today. It isn't the people, it's the dictatorship that many countries are now succumbing to.

I suppose that the immigrants who come here, like my earlier point said, and do the jobs that lazy Americans don't want to do is hurting your company? I'm building a roof for your people, yet I'm hurting you, because I stole the job that a lazy American wasn't interested in in the first place, and now you're going to arrest me? Tell me if THAT makes sense.

You can't even try to pull the masses of law-breaking to immigrants, because America is one of the most violent places to be. You forgot the large percentages of people in your country who were BORN their who commit crimes every day. Bad point, kid.

A repeating point that I somehow keep having to make up. What is the difference from you and an immigrant? They're not from America. So, you choose to blame the millions of dollars of debt on someone who isn't from America, doing the same thing as someone who is from America? We work the same job, same position, same hours, team, yet you get paid 5 dollars more than me. We've been here for the same amount of time. How am I costing your country money? You're the one with the biased and opinionated boss who chose to give you more money, and it's your people that are costing your country your debt.

 

Did I say that? No. I said that they *have* gang wars and drug crimes. And yes, there are HUGE Hispanic gangs in America, consisting largely of illegal aliens, that create just as many problems as the gangs full of legal people. Again, I said; I don't really give a shit if they want to contribute in ruining the reputation of the country they live in, as long as it's the country that they ARE LEGAL CITIZENS OF. They don't help us in ALMOST any ways; they cost us MUCH more than they provide for us - so yes, I wouldn't really care if every illegal immigrant was forced to get the fuck out of America. And under Obama, he plans on basically supporting immigration, including illegally.

I have *nothing* against legal immigration. You pay taxes, you contribute to your community however you can, whatever. As an illegal immigrant, you're USING UP America's money, not PRODUCING it. Meh.

 

arya, i noticed you still didn't reply to my questions lol, you too afraid to? i'd love to hear your educated explanations and opinions based on facts, also, yes they aren't they only ones that kill people or have gang wars, but the ratio of them that come here illegally and kill people or are involved with drug trafficking is extremely high compared to the rate of the average american.

Please answer my previously asked questions of you, because i feel your avoiding them because you will look very un-educated answering them.

 

I just answered all of your questions, one by one. Stop trying to make yourself look smarter than you really are.

 

my so called "repeating point" you stated because americans are causing debt that it is ok for the illegal immigrants to cause even more? so your stating practically that two wrongs make a right, aswell as i didn't state that our country was the best, i stated that our country is a 1st world country, and if we openly allow 3rd world countries to illegally flow into it, than it will not stay a 1st world country, and even if our people are costing the USA debt, how does that make it right for illegals to do wrong? so your saying if i kill somebody that gives you the right aswell? also you mention about the masses of "violent" people born here that commit crimes, yet as i mentioned, the ratio of illegal immigrants commiting crimes shows they are more likely to than the average american, meaning you are stating we should just allow things to get worse because someone here does something wrong, also please tell me how the jobs the lazy americans dont want is exists, because sure in your area there may be a few jobs that no one is currently at, but look at the statistics of the other areas, for example west virginia, there are several applications sent in at stores, but yet so many un-employed, wher ei live many people want work but can't find it, aswell as the people from india are taking a large amount of the web design jobs in washington, please explain to me how the people from india being sent here by there bosses on a "Visa" and be paid extremely low and that causing the americans to lose there job as my mom did because of that issue is not bad? i feel your statements are based on opinion just as how you practically state that two wrongs make a right as you did by saying we are running up the countries debt so why not let the illegals? aswell as you avoided entirely the part i said about how the illegals ratio to commit crimes is a lot higher than the ratio of the average american, what you are pretty much statting by your big blob of big words that you are using to try and confuse people to make yourself look educated is that we should allow them to fuck up this country because some people in our country do, should my mom have to let my friend who recently got out of prision come over and have cake with us since of course i have got in trouble before? or would you feel more safe with an average american, there are always going to be troubles with economy such as debts in countries, but to try and narrow down that problem and fix as much as possible we can't just say "Hell With It Theres Problems So Lets Help Make The Problem Widen" because that causes the problem to worsen.

 

lol, sorry but i just noticed, aswell as some of my other questions, you didnt answer how it angers countries benefiting off of our tourism in there country, you use things as a derivative to draw people away from noticing you didn't fully answer my question by replying to only part of the question, this is completely why i feel you have no arguement besides your stuff based on opinion, i'd like to see some facts and there sources posted,

 

Well said ^_^

I want to see Shredders reply to this If he replies that is...

 

One thing you have to think of to is that illegal immigrants are more likely to be involved in crime than legal immigrants, because legal ones have the chance of losing there green card. The legal ones worked very very hard to get here and want to be here to prosper themselves, their family, and the U.S. in general. The majority of the illegals don't care because they came here illegally for there own purposes, and think about this- if they come legally they are the ones most likely doing it for their family and bringing them along. The illegal ones most likely aren't because it would be a lot harder to get your whole family fake identities and to smuggle them in then it would be for one person who is trying to smuggle drugs or other things into the country.

 

Plus 1(ish). I don't really think it's too fair to analyze how people think or feel without *any* statistical evidence, but this is very good speculation. If you work hard to get somewhere, you don't really want to risk getting deported, true that.

 

Nice point, also take into consideration the money that they are sending back to there country to their family members over there which is depleting the united states even more of our money that will be flowing through our economy, also i think arya is out of this debate, seeing as she can't even answer half of the questions that me and you have asked her, she just replys with simple answers to answer half of our statement and avoids the other half.

 

some of them can be ok because they work and dont claim things like benifs which come out of tax payers money the one that live off us and then still go around robbing people selling drugs etc there the ones i hate!

 

but the probelm is they do, aswell as how is it possible for them to be "ok" when they came here illegally meaning they already don't care about following the law of our country.