Bring back gold donations

[EDIT] Please close/deny this. Matthew made it clear they're not bringing it back.

To moderator/admins: Before denying or accepting this suggestion, please fully read it and at least consider it, and think about it in everyone's perspective for a few minutes. Thank you.

To lower confusion and be more descriptive, I have rewritten this suggestion in FAQ mode.

Why is this needed?
Many people are not allowed to sell anything for any amount of money while using any method of payment; usually forbidden by their parents. Parents however do not mind their dying in bounty hunter, because I bet they don't even know what it is.

How will this help?
This will boost donation amounts.

Who will accept the GP? Who will sell it?
The GP will be transferred by trusted gold sellers, such as R2Pleasent. The gold sellers could either purchase the gold at bulk pricing, and write down the donor's name and donation amount, or they could simply take it from them and resell it, and donate that money in the donor's name to Sythe.

What is the risk?
The gold could be lost in the bounty hunter, which is not really anyone's fault. I doubt this will happen often though as long as the gold sellers handling the trade are experienced. Also, if the gold sellers are required to sell the gold and donate the full pricing to Sythe instead of the Bulk purchase pricing and keeping it for themselves, they might get "chargebacked" on payments if they use Paypal, but that already happens with money donations, and can be avoided when taking precautions.

How will someone qualify to do this job?
Similar to the official middleman process, they must provide evidence of previous gold trades, and so on.

What would be the profit?
Either bulk gold pricing, or full gold pricing based on the "market price" of gold at that time. (Usually $4-6M, and $2-3M for bulk)
If the experienced gold seller buys in bulk, he'll pay the donation money out of his own pocket. No "fees" with this method.
If the experienced gold seller sells the gold for full pricing, he'll pay the donation money once the gold sells. To encourage this method, the gold seller could take a percentage as transferring "fees".

The donor will be credited with the donation.

What about the donor "Rankings"? What will be the value per million GP in money?
The donor ranking will display the gold amount donated, NOT a real life money amount.

But it's hard... It'll take forever... They'll die!
No, no and no. Experienced sellers have high level accounts they can put the money on; therefore making it easier and faster.

Now, please put a * in the beginning of your reply to verify you have an IQ above 1 and read the thread before replying. Leave it out and you will be considered an ignorant fool.

 

Okay.. and you say that.

How about you actually sell the RSGP for PayPal, and then use that to donate to Sythe? You can also get the money sent to you from PayPal to your house, and then you can send the money Via Mail or Western Union as well.

Suggestion will most likely be denied, for it is an inconvenience for a Mod having to invest his/her time into receiving GP and then converting that again for money.

Bad Suggestion I believe, and the problem is solved.

 

it all comes down to effort.


its like someone giving you 500 dollars in gumballs.

it might be worth 500 dollars, but to you at the time, gumballs will not buy you gasoline.

(bad analogy)

 

Actually I prefer donating money over gold; I'm talking about others who do not possess a paypal account and are not allowed by their parents to sell pixels.

 

Not alllowed by their parents.

LOL.

Because their parents overlook them 24/7 - ZOMG PIXELS!

So if they are not allowed to sell Pixels, that means they are not allowed to BH them.
-If they are Bound by their parents, how are they supposed to give to the Staff?
-What does a PayPal Account have to do with those not allowed to sell Pixels?
-And how does your preference of donating money over gold have any relevance to others who cannot donate as such?

 

Some parents don't like their kids getting money in any way; my friend is an example. I'm pretty sure parents don't monitor "Runescape Playing" and wouldn't mind them dying in bounty hunter. With PayPal accounts, it requires a registration that asks for personal information. I said I like to donate money over gold, because you directed your message at me.

Basically, you're not seeing other people's perspective. Just because you can do it doesn't mean everyone can. Let's just drop the argument now, thanks.

 

I agree in some ways it could be helpful; but in other ways it could be awful.

So my final statement is: no.

 

Well, I have sold RSGP for PayPal, so I don't know what you're getting at there.

This is a USER SUGGESTIONS Thread, and you're requesting this "argument" to close? You are basically stating that only people who are in favor of your proposal are allowed to post here, and that is not the case. This Forum was made for people to make suggestions, and let it be open for discussion.

I have posted reasons why I do not believe this Method should be implemented, and my reasons provide a theory.

 

I actually love constructive criticism, as long as you can state solid reasons why it would NOT be a benefit, because I'm sure I stated that the job could be given to trusted gold sellers; I never said it has to waste the staff's time. Your other reasons are basically... "Since I can get paid to sell gold/do things, others should too, so this is completely unnecessary."

I'm calling it an argument because...

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(plural ar·gu·ments)
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2. reason: a reason put forward in support of or in opposition to a point of view
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4. discussion: debate or discussion about whether something is correct
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Btw, continue posting. I encourage it, as long as it doesn't turn into flaming.

P.S, with the parent thing, I have evidence that my friend's parents do not allow him to open anything that has to do with money, but they don't mind him playing Runescape and giving gold to people, because it is not real. Therefore, he can pay me with GP for his monthly membership, and I can make him a member. Again, not everyone can handle real money.

 

Here are the reasons I have stated:

And yes, I have said that people can "successfully" sell their RSGP for money.
-"successfully" because of Claim + Cancel

I am just rendering this thread useless I believe, for there is not going to be a Mod / Admin who would be able to accept this money and then convert it into USD successfully to donate it to Sythe. This is another step in having to donate to Sythe, and no one is going to have the time to commit to such a notion.

If this Suggestion was to be approved, their would have to be new Mods promoted in order to take on such a task, and would have to have a great experience in BH Transfers and receiving money to donate to Sythe in a proper form.

So I present these questions to you:
-What if the money transferred from Donator - Mod is lost?
-What if the Mod tries to sell the RSGP, and the money is taken back?
-Who can say that a Mod will just say the money was lost, and keep it for themselves?
-If this Suggestion was approved, who do you think should be the Mod(s) to accept the RSGP?

Please explain all your answers in detail. Thank you.

 

Are you completely ignoring my replies to you? As I stated probably over two times, I never said it has to be done by staff members but TRUSTED GOLD SELLERS such as R2P, so we know they won't scam and they are good at BH transferring.

-What if the money transferred from Donator - Mod is lost?
Then the person would still receive donor benefits because it was not their fault. As for the gold, I never said there weren't risks.

-What if the Mod tries to sell the RSGP, and the money is taken back?
Same as above, but I'm sure the person selling the gold wouldn't fall for scams if they are experiences with PayPal and other Payment methods.

-Who can say that a Mod will just say the money was lost, and keep it for themselves?
That would be the same with Official Middleman, you just have to go through a rigorous process to be as sure as possible they won't.

-If this Suggestion was approved, who do you think should be the Mod(s) to accept the RSGP?
Experienced gold sellers that have sold millions legitly or even billions.

 

Then the person would still receive donor benefits because it was not their fault. As for the gold, I never said there weren't risks.
..::Well do you really think Sythe is just going to hand out Donator Ranks for something that wasn't received completely? 0/10

Same as above, but I'm sure the person selling the gold wouldn't fall for scams if they are experiences with PayPal and other Payment methods.
..::How could they avoid falling for this "scam". And now you're calling an "experienced" gold seller a possible scammer? 0/10

That would be the same with Official Middleman, you just have to go through a rigorous process to be as sure as possible they won't.
..::A rigorous process. See, you said it. This is why this User Suggestion won't be approved. Lack of time. 0/10

Experienced gold sellers that have sold millions legitly or even billions.
..::I asked for certain people, not for "experienced gold sellers. 0/10

So overall, your answers have scored a 0/40 on my Scale.

CounterAttack! Please reply

 

..::Well do you really think Sythe is just going to hand out Donator Ranks for something that wasn't received completely? 0/10
-Not the donor's fault, as long as he dies to the person in charge.

..::How could they avoid falling for this "scam". And now you're calling an "experienced" gold seller a possible scammer? 0/10
-What? Not calling them scammers. By the way, if you were an experienced gold seller you'd know how to avoid scammers.

..::A rigorous process. See, you said it. This is why this User Suggestion won't be approved. Lack of time. 0/10
- I can see how there's no official middlemen either, right? *sarcasm*

..::I asked for certain people, not for "experienced gold sellers. 0/10
-Well my suggestion states it should be done by experienced gold sellers. If you want it done by "certain people" then make your own suggestion stating that.

 

No , they took it off for a reason.
Anyone can steal an account donate the gold on it,
and supposable be reputable.

 

Ah, but can't the same be done with real life money?

Look around; the world is a stealing-frenzy. Whether it be virtual goods or not.

Here is my input:
Yes, it could be done. I talked to Matthew and it is true people just did not have the effort.

But it is apparent we have our own Gold Tycoon here. R2Pleasent.

I know this may not be ideal but maybe all donations through gold would be worth $2.00 each. That way R2Pleasent has a reason.

1) He can make a ton of merch. money
2) It will help Sythe

/endrampage.

 

Agreed with your statement "Ah, but can't the same be done with real life money?"

By the way, good idea with R2Pleasant, that way the gold is 100% safe and he can write down names & amounts for donor rankings.

 

Not the donor's fault, as long as he dies to the person in charge.
-So now you're suggesting that R2Pleasent having to pay his own money to Sythe?
If R2P is unable to Receive / Sell the RSGP Successfully, it is R2P's responsibility to pay for it 0/10

What? Not calling them scammers. By the way, if you were an experienced gold seller you'd know how to avoid scammers.
-So people would have to buy RSGP by Mail or WU then? Who is willing to reveal their Address? 2/10

I can see how there's no official middlemen either, right? *sarcasm*
-Middlemen are actually used for a purpose; to transfer goods successfully
-An Xfer as such for Sythe Donations is not needed; just sell the RSGP to someone 4/10

Well my suggestion states it should be done by experienced gold sellers. If you want it done by "certain people" then make your own suggestion stating that.
-I wasn't asking, yet again, for what your Suggestion States
-I am directly asking YOU who YOU think should be chosen for such a task 0/10

Hmm, a 6/40 -or- 3/20 .. Slight improvement


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Well I agree to that, but would this have to be made for someone to make money? That is an unfair way. All mills should be considered at the rate of $4.00/Mil, as it is naturally made. I don't see why the Mills would have to be considered at a rate of $2.00/Mil, because that requires twice the effort to the true Market Cost.

 

Ah, but yes their is a difference. This is because if you really want to donate via Runescape you must make sacrifices as would the Mod working on this.

 

-So now you're suggesting that R2Pleasent having to pay his own money to Sythe?
No. Never said it's only R2P either. Basically, no one gets it if it is gone. :'( There is a very low possibility of this, especially if it is done on level 100s, 120's, and 50's (max on each BH crater). Tbh it is very easy. In my whole career of selling gold, I only remember one person dying, and that was because of his low level.

-So people would have to buy RSGP by Mail or WU then? Who is willing to reveal their Address?
When did I say that? PayPal is very safe if you know how to use it. All my buyers are willing to reveal their address btw. (My gold shop) Not like I'm going to buy a plane ticket to go rape them.

-Middlemen are actually used for a purpose; to transfer goods successfully
-An Xfer as such for Sythe Donations is not needed; just sell the RSGP to someone 4/10
Again, my point, SOME PEOPLE CAN NOT SELL GOLD FOR REAL LIFE MONEY. I heard from one of my crazy teachers, if you repeat something three times it gets stuck in the other person's head so let's try it. SOME PEOPLE CAN NOT SELL GOLD FOR REAL LIFE MONEY. SOME PEOPLE CAN NOT SELL GOLD FOR REAL LIFE MONEY. SOME PEOPLE CAN NOT SELL GOLD FOR REAL LIFE MONEY. Worked?

-I wasn't asking, yet again, for what your Suggestion States
-I am directly asking YOU who YOU think should be chosen for such a task 0/10
And I told you. TRUSTED GOLD SELLERS. My suggestion is by me, thus my thoughts.

Btw, GP donations should be considered as GP, not a monetary value. So 5M+ donor and so on, not converted to money.

Oh, you might be interested in this: http://www.qualityflags.com/White-Flag-On-Staff-4x6-Nylon-10632496.aspx
Also updated my thread.

 

I for one would like it, but that doesn't mean its likely to happen.
It could be possible if we had some sort of team that took turns accepting the gold day by day, considering its much harder to transfer nowadays.