Slipknot

I like slipknot because they aren't too hard core. They are at a perfect level for me to listen to, they get me pumped for skating. Anything more "hard core" will hurt my ears.

I am religious and I don't enjoy hearing songs about the devil ruling the earth and stuff. Slipknot does have a few songs like that but I don't listen to them.

 

You see now, what you are not understanding is talent is ran by ability not by opinion. There are different types of music and we understand that. What you are failing to see though is that we are talking about there overall instrumental skills. Not the opinion people have about them.

There instrumental skills are mediocre at best when compared to the population that plays guitar, bass guitar, and what ever the other 10 people do excluding the drummer.

Lyrics on the other hand are completely opinionated as it all depends on what you like some people like the emotional talents of people such as Eric Clapton, Brett Dennen and others. while some may like the make believe shit of cannibal corpse etc. it just varies

 

Point well taken. Except for the "motivation" part -- what about exploring some other genres for motivational songs? I personally dislike "mainstream rock" but a great motivational song for me is Kryptonite by 3 Doors Down, even though I don't listen to anything else by them. And if you want motivational metal, what about stuff like Disturbed?

Just wondering, what other metal bands do you listen to consistently? Because something at me that you really just haven't explored many of metal's various scopes.

Yes, to you that is all that matters. But this is the "Tunes Analysis" section, and personally we like to create COMPARISONS WITH and ANALYSES OF groups posted in this section. Again, what other metal do you listen to?

See, this is extremely subjective - what credentials are you looking for in a song that "sounds good?" Does it vary by your mood?

Didn't you just say earlier that "the best guitarist in the world doesn't exist" - it's all about what you like? Anyways, you shouldn't listen to it for pleasure consistently, but you should still at least try to broaden your horizons and increase your musical understanding.

Have you ever heard Mushroomhead? They're better than Slipknot IMHO.

We're not trying to convince you that Slipknot blows. If you like Slipknot, fuck it man listen to Slipknot. But at least go through the effort of finding stuff out, and drawing intelligent comparisons. Because right now, you sound to me like one of those Dragonforce junkies who has only heard one song (TTFAF) and assumes they're gods, which they're not - they suck major dick. Especially live. And all their songs sound the same. You seem to know quite a bit about Slipknot, but you don't seem to know much about music as a whole, or maybe you're just not expressing it.

Do you play any instruments?

 

i have basically all that on my ipod..

 

FINALLY you've come to this conclusion. If you like Slipknot i have nothing against that, each to their own. I just don't like someone who says a band is "good" when its not. If its good to you then ok cool whatever, but when you tell other people its good, it gives them ideas that its good. So then a no talented band is then stereotyped as a talented band which pisses me off.

I personally care more about lyrics than the instrumentals. If the lyrics mean something to me then i'll listen to it. But Slipknot has meaningless lyrics (in my opinion), and has no instrumental talent (thats not an opinion, thats a fact) so i can not stand Slipknot.

But if you were a man before you could stand or some bullshit then that would mean a lot to you, or if you push your fingers in your eyes each time you want to slowly stop the ache then yeah i'd say Slipknot has pretty meaningful lyrics to you. I don't know how someone can like the 'sound' of a band when its not the lyrics their listening to, nor is it the instrumental talent.

Anyway i think we've all agreed that Slipknot has no talent now and if you like them then ok. Just don't think your listening to some hardcore, unique, talented band.

 

I think the point being made here is not that they suck, but rather any music they show lacks any obvious talent. The drummer is the only talented person of the band, and if you look at the tabs Deadzone posted earlier, can you honestly say that requires a great deal of talent?

I was playing stuff like that in my first two or three weeks of learning to play guitar. Personally I enjoy things that are melodic, but I oft do listen to death metal like Morbid Angel (they are like my favourites <3) and Death because they are really quite amazing.

Heres some of Death's solos

 

Not to be a jerk or anything, as the points we are trying to make have already been supported/agreed upon. However, just saying - you only have two bands that you can consider fully "metal" on your iPod. Scratch that. 1. Ozzy/SOAD/G'nR aren't even "metal" if you compare that to Slipknot. They're better, but they're not metal.

 

Haha Matthew i laugh at you yes they are Metal.

2ndly, IMO i think all of you are just a bunch of fags because your probobly Jealous of them.. srsly, music was made to sit back and chill and listen to it... not to fuckin fight about riffs' etc..

1. Slipknot is very good.
2. if you don't like them? why do you post your bullshit? just to get attention?

and lastly, Deadzone you think Slipknot blows? might wanna check your music out buddy.

 

1. 'Good' is in the eye of the beholder.
2. We're entitled to post what we think. Fluctuation in opinion is actually what makes this forum fun to post in.

And lastly, the videos that deadzone posted were of the band Slipknot copied many ideas from.

It is also very debatable whether or not talent is subject to opinion. I'm going to stay on the fence here, because I do believe there are different usages of the word talent. However, from a global perspective, comparing them to other bands they don't tend to have a lot.

 

i only really like "fuck it all" and "phsychosocial".

the rest im not really into

 

Ozzy Osbourne's solo career is not really metal at all. Crazy Train? That's more like hard rock. Black Sabbath's early stuff (including when they were titled Earth) was most definitely not heavy metal. Only later did they really define the genre of heavy metal, with songs like War Pigs, Paranoid, and Iron Man.

System of a Down does have some elements of metal in them [mostly from progressive and nu metal], but is predominantly rock. Most of their famous songs (except maybe Toxicity) would have to be classified as rock.

Guns 'n Roses is just not really that metal at all. They may have some elements that sprung early metal, similar to Black Sabbath, but come on - obviously they're more rock 'n roll. But it really depends where you want to draw the fine line.

All I'm saying is, on your iPod, Viper has *nothing* to prove that he has even attempted to listen to anything even vaguely similar to Slipknot, so he makes blind assumptions that they're super because "everyone" --> posers like him --> says they are.

If I liked being a sellout poser, and all I cared about was money, yes - I probably wouldn't mind being in Slipknots shoes. And where do you get the idea that music was made to sit back and chill and listen to it? I think music is to analyze and to get the deeper meaning.

Nope, we post "our bullshit" to have an interesting musical debate, and to try to inspire people to expand their horizons and listen to more different types of music. It has nothing to do with attention :O Why do you feel it does?

We've gone over this before, haven't we?

You're saying "slipknot obviously has talent" and "is obviously a great band" and shit like that. Well, you're not comparing it to ANYTHING plausible of comparing it to; yes, compared to let's say Soulja Boy, yes - they do have talent. But who can you compare it to that has some merit, in a semi-comparable genre? Nobody. It's supposed to prove that you have an uneducated, or at least unsupported, perspective.

The first time I checked this topic was to bitch at the creator of the thread for posting another topic similar to one already in this board. Then I kept checking back when I saw more people posting, and it escalated to this. And, yes - I'm interested in hearing what people have to say. But so far, I haven't heard ANYTHING that could change my opinion. I used to like Dragonforce, until someone showed me one of their actual riffs, and I found out that it's just the same progression in EVERY song, and is just played fast - and I no longer like them.

 

You answered your own question. We are discussing the band and we believe they are a pitiful excuse for a band.

Also what matthew said was true, you obviously listen to next to no metal to compare the band to. So before you make such random judgments perhaps you should broaden you're library.

lol Why on earth would we be jealous, Everyone here who plays an instrument can play better than them.

Already gave my response to why we post here.

Well lets see here. my music vs slipknot... shall I put up a poll and see who wins? I would guarantee it would be me. I unlike them do not copy bands I invent new ways of doing things morphing genre's into my own thing. They on the other hand turn genre's into a complete pile of rubbish. I actually attract peoples attention who know about instrumentals and I am liked by those very people, slipknot on the other hand are liked by ignorant people such as yourself who don't know the first thing about instrumentals.

 

Whats there to be jealous of? I could put on a mask, pick up a guitar and pluck randomly at the strings too. Oh also i could mix it with some pointless yelling, wow then i'd have made a slipknot song!

"Slipknot is very good" says who? Seriously support your fucking statement. It makes you look like a retard "duhhhh i think shitknot is very good". I can make up a statement with no proof too:

The Slipknot members like to take to have giant gay orgies with Marilyn Manson.

We post here because this is a forum. I doubt the person who created this thread wanted everyone to say "yes i like them, you are correct". If he did that'd just be fucking boring and pointless even creating a thread.

Oh and dude, Deadzone knows his music. Theres no one that i've seen post that knows more about music than Deadzone.

 

Dude, there are videos on YouTube of people who have been playing for 3 months and can already cover most of SlipKnot's songs on guitar. Their only good aspect is the drumming and the dude who plays with the turntables/audio (the audio mixer?) that doesn't make them sound like shit.

 

No I don't really consider 36 crazy firsts nor all that remains metal although both I have heard a song or 2 that are alright.

But anyways I will stand by my statement about anyone who plays a instrument is better than the people in slipknot. Excluding the drummer as I have said before. Like I think Matthew said, look on youtube there are 6 year olds that can play there songs, there are kids who are in there first months of playing that cover there songs.

 

Lol dude, do you play an instrument? If you did then you'd know how easy it is to play their songs.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5PqJpk5lQ


What do you guys think of that there new video.

 

Sucks...duh?

 

If a song is bad it doesn't matter about the video...