666, the REAL number of the beast?

True,

If you would have actually read anything, you would notice the mark by that verse saying "Read below!" pretty much, and it says.
"666 is a numerical mistranslation from Arabic to Latin, the real number if translated right is 616."
In like the last 13 bibles I looked in.

Nice, then why post?

 

I read 666 so that's what I'll believe. I wouldn't understand it.. 616? Then what is God's number? 727? I still believe 666 and 777.

 

To assure people that a "number of the beast" is complete bullshit

 

Why the fuck post then you tree hugging atheist? Go to the spam form for spamming threads.

 

Why does the devil have a fucking number? Is that like his fucking ZIP code? Or his area code?

 

Tree hugging atheist? Are you serious? That is perhaps the worst insult that I have ever had the displeasure of reading. When your IQ is higher then your lunch money, come back with a better insult

 

Oo big words. What.. are you hugging your dictionary? Good job typing "comebacks" into the google search engine. Epic fail.

 

I say the beast has no number, the beast is more of a metaphor then a real thing as people have not chosen to accept.

 

No I just like to show a moderate and acceptable intelligence level so I wouldn't sound like an inbred mistake

 

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek. So most likely a mistranslation from Greek to Latin to English I think. Depends when the 666 first arose. Could have been mistranslated in the middle ages when the church only spoke Latin.

 

In the bible, Revealations, I believe chapter 1Just guessing by memory, not for sure) it says (Something almost identical to), "The number of the beast, Six and a threescore six"

 

"This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666." Revelations: 13:18

From an NIV Bible..


"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Revelations: 13:18

From a King James Bible.

 

Well i belive that 616 is a number and 666 is also a number .. None of this santanist shit ..

 

i know for a fact that the true number of the beast is 616, NOT 666

 

Damn fucking straight.

 

Its from the bible...

You aren't allowed to trade with the man marked with the number of the beast, 666.

 

The Number of the Beast is a simple concept in the Bible. The Number is 666 in most manuscripts of the New Testament, and in modern translations and critical editions of the Greek text. However, there is some doubt about the original reading, as modern studies have shown that the earliest known manuscript of the Book of Revelation, Papyrus 115, (from the 3rd century) used 616. This topic is a source of contention for many church groups and theologians. Some scholars contend that the number 666 is a code for the Roman Emperor Nero, others that 616 is a code for the Roman Emperor Caligula. (original text by Robert T. Weindenberg)
The above text states that the original statement in the first bibliographic evidential transcript stated that the defined "Number of the Beast" is 616. Furthermore, this bibliographical piece of evidence concludes that 666 is a translational error and omission.
666
The Number of the Beast is described in the Book of Revelation 13:18. The original Greek reads:
Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν· ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου· ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστί· καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ χξϛʹ.
The King James translates:
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred and sixty-six.
In the Greek manuscripts, the Number is rendered in Greek numerical form as χξϛʹ, or sometimes literally as ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ, hexakósioi hexēkonta héx, “six hundred and sixty-six".
Scholars such as Dr. Ellen Aitken, Dean of the Faculty of Religious Studies at McGill University, have speculated that the reference to this passage was a way of speaking in code about then contemporary figures about whom it would have been politically dangerous to criticize openly.
Many scholars believe that 666 refers to a Roman Emperor such as Nero[9] (whose name, written in Aramaic, was valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, a manner of speaking against the emperor without the Roman authorities knowing).
The early Church father Irenaeus knew several occurrences of the 616-variant but regarded them as a scribal error and affirmed that the number 666 stood "in all the most approved and ancient copies" and is attested by "those men who saw John face to face".

616
In May 2005, it was reported that scholars at Oxford University using advanced imaging techniques[11] had been able to read previously illegible portions of the earliest known record of the Book of Revelation, from the Oxyrhynchus site, Papyrus 115 or P115, dating to the mid to late third century. The fragment gives the Number of the Beast as 616 (chi, iota, sigma), rather than the majority text 666 (chi, xi, sigma). In Eastern Greek 616 is chi-iota-sigma or XIC. Eastern forms of Greek used the Lunate Sigma (which resembles an upper case C) as seen on many ancient Christian religious artifacts. The other early witness Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (C) has it written in full: hexakosiai deka hex (lit. six hundred sixteen).
Significantly, P115 aligns with Codex Alexandrinus (A) and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (C) which are generally regarded as providing the best testimony to Revelation. Thus, P115 has superior testimony to that of P47 which aligns with Codex Sinaiticus and together form the second-best witness to the Book of Revelation. This has led some scholars to conclude that 616 is the original number of the beast.
Red arrow points to χιϛʹ (616) in P115 deciphered in May 2005.
Dr. Paul Lewes in his book, A Key to Christian Origins (1932) wrote:
"The figure 616 is given in one of the two best manuscripts, C (Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, Paris), by the Latin version of Tyconius (DCXVI, ed. Souter in the Journal of Theology, SE, April 1913), and by an ancient Armenian version (ed. Conybaere, 1907). Irenaeus knew about it [the 616 reading], but did not adopt it (Haer. v.30,3), Jerome adopted it (De Monogramm., ed. Dom G Morin in the Rev. Benedictine, 1903). It is probably original. The number 666 has been substituted for 616 either by analogy with 888, the [Greek] number of Jesus (Deissmann), or because it is a triangular number, the sum of the first 36 numbers (1+2+3+4+5+6...+36 = 666)".
Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. Dr. Ellen Aitken said, “Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast. It's probably about 100 years before any other version." (original text by Thomas R. Overton)

 

777 was never "Gods" number.
Wtf?

Also true.
The mistranslation is the topic, not the "beast".

Because the number marked people as the devils sheep, people that fail at life and are forced to follow him.
Slaves.

Attack the argument, not the arguer.
Or you can leave as you can't debate.

He didn't use big words...

The number was the mark of the devils sheep, his slaves, the failures that were forced to follow him and forced themselves to believe him>"god" because they thought "god" ditched them.
Aka, the losers and scum of the earth at their time.

What does inbred mistakes have to do with grammar and spelling?
And your grammar is bad to...
Wow.

Nice, a real post that has thought and meaning behind it.
Was it Roman-Catholics that were the dominant religion then?
I don't really pay much attention to when who's religion was dominant, the Roman-Catholics spoke mainly Latin/Greek, didn't they?

The topic was the mistranslation.
666 is a numerical mistranslation.
Actually shows the sheeps out for who they are tbh.

Yes, will you read the topic please.
-.-

Thank you for your opinion.
any basis for it to support?
Someones word alone is not enough to make a true argument.

K.

Read the topic before psoting...
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Nice, you did research before posting.

Showed both sides.
A great post for the topic.
I'll add it to first post as it shows both accounts better than I did.

 

Who's talking about the end of the world?
We are talking about a number.

 

So, you expect me to believe this 'devil' has a number? I was raised Catholic, and the bible is utter bullshit.

An invisible man in an invisible sent us laws that are automatically important. If you disobey, you go to hell, yet he still loves us. I love the Jesus myth, eight other people with the same biography in the area...

Humanity's downfall will be and is humanity itself.