The Existence of God

true christians believe in the sanctity of life, is that not a moral in the case that it contradicts you?

 

i didnt say im un-aware of the topic, i just cant answer some questions seeing as i obviously said previously (which you ignore anything that would back me up and prove you wrong) that some of these things are based on faith one has for the diety/god they believe in, and as i said im not a christian i cant answer questions that require faith and personal faith-based interpreations.

 

You know how many people have died in the name of god? Do you think they value the thousands of people they lay waste too? you think i know nothing about the bible...

On the day Moses comes down from Mount Sinai with the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, he discovers that the Israelites have created a golden calf. To punish the people, Moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of Exodus, Chapter 32:

Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.

So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands.

Do you think there actions where moral?

 

http://godisimaginary.com/i16.htm

i like how you copy exactly from the internet including the space in between each paragraph.

GF

im not defending all christians, though i was saying there are some moral christians when it comes to the sanctity of life, because as you originally quote 1_eyed_viper and tried to disagree with her,

 

Its not based on faith, its based on a litteral intake of the bible. So you do not beleive in god or the bible? why are you argueing as if its fact? And you cannot answer my questions as they contridict your own arguement and you have no counter arguement.

 

something are based on faith, such as my answer to one of your questions previously was that they believe everything happens for a reason, something as that can be interpretted as faith,

also i have answered your questions, now answer 1 of mine

why do you have to steal context from websites to look educated about the topic, you say you know about the bible yet you copy and paste something directly from another website, even the brackets and space in between you paragraphs where the same.

http://godisimaginary.com/i16.htm
you copied it from there, thats why when you just quoted me you didnt quote that,

GF

 

thats from the old testament which is judaism, not christianity, meaning you're a dang moron, so you know nothing about this subject why not just leave, first you steal the message from a website directly and you even copy something that wasnt having to do with christianity, the old testament wasnt for us to abide by when jesus came and the new 1 was formed, the old was is judaism.

GF

 

Before Christ came to wash away all of mans sins with his blood, God did take his anger out on his people (but again, this is a story, and its also in the OLD TESTAMENT... MEANING: those people were not Christians) Chrisitans base their beliefs more on the New Testament... I would say the Old Testament to them is like a Commodore 64 computer to us, very outdated.

When I say I have many of the same morals as Christians, I mean basic morals such as the sanctity of life, not stealing, lying, etc. I grew up around many Christians, however, I beleive the same way as you, where I can have these values and not have them because I'm in fear of a deity that commands I must have them. I do not believe the bible, and there are many contradicitons in the bible, namely because it was put together by man, and not by a god. But I do not scoff at real Christians, because they do no wrong to me, and usually they are trying to better the same things I am. Of course there are many that call themselves christian and they aren't... it's unfortunate that some people need a faith in something to make them do good things, then also faith in something can make you do bad things.

 

I just kinda want to state that, if you remove all religious aspects to the bible it becomes more of a giant book of morals. It seems a tad odd some that would consider themselves Christians would not live by the morals set forth in its pages.

I'll admit, I have not been a perfect Christian, I probably never will be, but atleast I practice before I ever try to preach.

 

The morals in the bible are horrid. Heard the story of Soddom and Gomorah? Lot offered them his vigin daughter to be gang raped to save another? God ends up saving this family and tells them not to look back. Now as there leaving town god is bringing his wrath upon the place, and so Lot's wife turns around, as obviously it would be making a huge amount of noise, And so God turns her into a pillar of salt.

Is it moral to sacrifice your daughter to gang rape? Was Lot's wife's death justified? There are so many of these stories that are more like horror stories.

 

porman stop posting on this thread, i ownt u 2 posts str8 and u stopped ur debate between me and u, now u gonna pick on others.

 

the bible teaches sacrifice, also that i believe was in the old testament being judaism? not christianity. in the old testament god believed different and he expected different of us. he changed his views and jesus came and god than had forgiveness in his heart and the new testament was formed.

 

stop double posting its really annoying. And you didnt "own" me, I gave up on you as you dont even stand for anything, You defend the christians but have no real idea about it as you previously stated "i cant answer because i know nothing about it". You dodge every comment and ramble on about faith and other bullshit that has nothing to do with physical writing in this holy book called the bible.

also, you jioned sythe in october 2008. this shows me that your still a 12 year old kid that plays runescape. Im not going to waste my time on you.

The old testimate was still written by god. the fact that he changed his mind shows that god is NOT perfect. Are you saying that its moral to kill in the name of god? Are you saying that oh its ok to kill people back then, but its not ok now? Because God said its ok does that make it moral?

You know the whole bible is a huge load of shit right? man changed there view, not god. The book was written by people you douche bag.

 

oh so now your saying u got ownt by a 12 year old kid? i proved you copy and pasted your so called knowledge you personally had of the bible, from a website, and you have to use things like runescape as a derivative so that you can bag on me without using stuff relevant to your also i didnt say i didnt know anything about it, how about you quote exactly what i said, being about not being able to comment about something that has an answer that is based on faith when i dont have faith in jehova (the christian god)

 

You know you didn't use one single full stop then...

You proved that I use outside sources. Whats the difference between quoting a website and quoting the bible? Its very childish to say you "ownt" someone in a debate, especially when you dont even have an arguement.

I don't have faith, yet I can answer my own questions. And half are rhetorical, you should already know the answer. The answer is "its all a load of shit, there is no god" And you know it, but you cannot admitt it, cos your a pussy

 

lol? first of all when you quoted the website you posted it as if it where your own knowledge because you even mentioned how i was inferring that you where un-educated about the bible, than you paste that with that statement, so thats the difference when your using it as acting as if it where your own knowledge, also just like anyone that gets busted out in an educated debate you start namecalling/flaming, because you have ran out of educated things to say that try to prove me wrong.

 

There's alot of answers to this. Not just Yes and No.

Therefore, I don't believe in God, I'm basically only a believer in Facts.

 

xestrox is right. It's one thing to quote, it's another thing to pretend the quote is your own.

 

You don't believe in God. What do you believe?

That the Universe has always been? Neither are a fact.

 

Why do you equate not believing in god with "the universe has always been"
Whats wrong with admitting you just don't know?