The Existence of God

First off, I can't understand the correlation between a guy dying 2000 years ago and us commiting sins today. Furthermore, did Jesus free the African slaves in the U.S.? Even though nearly all of them believed in him and prayed to him? Of course not. Jesus did not have a thing to do with it. What do you mean god created science? A lot of science, including evolution, totally contradicts him. Science is a system of inductive reasoning through observed patterns in nature that humans created and god had nothing to do with.

 

So essentially anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot?
Sheesh. If you have a religion you had better GTFO of SFA forums NOW.

Well I'm for both sides as hard as it is. Guess I'm only half idiot :nuts:

 

Because He died and took our sins on the cross so that we could get into heaven. It's our sin that stops us. If we believe in Him and accept his forgiveness then he will clean us from our sins and we will see Him in Heaven.

Jesus said the world must get worse before he returns. He also told us that becoming a Christian isn't going to make your life easier. If anything it makes it harder.

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

God created science. He created everything. He made the cells that make us work. There may be places where science and Christianity are different (like big bang? Christians believe that God created people and animals, and that we didn't evolve). That doesn't mean all science can't work with Christianity. Many Christians believe the earth could have been one land (Pangaea) and the flood that happened in the bible could have caused the land to split, and science says it just split (I believe).

 

The African slaves only prayed to God and Jesus because Christianity was literally forced upon them by their slavemasters. Evolution doesn't necessarily contradict God, it only contradicts Creationism (aka humans being created out of nothing). Theistic Evolution, on the other hand, is a load of BS because it contradicts Natural Selection.

 

I have faith that the entire planet actually rests on a tortoise's back. I have faith!

"Faith" is a forced belief without evidence. If you're going to base what you believe in on nothing, then you're one of those people who won't change their minds when evidence DOES come around.

Believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or you won't go to Spaghetti Heaven, you'll go to Hell! I will not offer you evidence, so you have to BELIEVE. Of course, belief is something that can't happen without evidence, unless you're a sheep without a bit of sense.

Example 1:
Can you choose to believe in the invisible unicorn on the dark side of the moon?

Example 2:
If a a man walks up to you and says "I have the cure for cancer, AIDS, and everything", would you just believe him right off? Or would you ask for him to show you before you can believe him?

Example 3:
Hello, I'm God. Believe me or go to Hell. Can you choose to believe me?

Do you believe me out of choice, or do you need some proof?
Also, what about those that are considerate and help others, but have ever HEARD of Jesus before? Would they go to Hell?

 

Not quite. Faith-based religions are irrational, but empirically based religions are not necessarily so. Those can certainly be debated here.

Empirical evidence, please.

 

Religion isn't based on faith. God has send loads of messengers, for the Jews, Christians and Muslims they proved go exist. Some people figured its magic, some people believed their words and followed the word of god.

You don't believe in god, because you don't have any physical evidence like they did back then. This isn't a game, god isn't going to send a messenger every 10 years, just to make you believe.

You either believe or you don't, its your choice god doesn't force you to do anything.

There is a difference between god "knows" what you're going to do, and god "forces" you what to do. If i know that tomorrow will be rain, that doesn't mean i forced the rain to come down.

The choice is and has always been up to you.

 

You don't know if it's going to rain tomorrow. It says it on the news and you see clouds, so you assume. You can't foresee it.
Plain and simple, how can people have free will if God knows exactly what they're going to do? That means, you can't change what God sees for you, and therefore, you can only follow through with what he sees, which is just pseudo-free will.

 

I beleive in a higher self.

 

... IT IS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

You have faith that a God really exists, a person wouldn't believe in a God without faith because un-deniable evidence of his existence doesn't exist. You have FAITH that he exists.

Do you know the meaning of faith?

"Religion isn't based on faith" pff. Can you get any more stupid?

God doesn't exist, get over it, accept it.

Why do you believe?

 

No it doesn't mean god forces you to do it... If i know your going to fight tommorow did i force you? If i know your going to the shop tommorow did i force you or did you make that choice of your own. Lets say god doesn't know the future, your still going to do the same things, whether god can "look" into the future or not.

You choose what you do, not god.

I just explained why it isn't based on faith u dumbfuck.

 

First, you're an idiot
Second, you're a bigot
Third, you're going to get tempd
fourth, ALLAH WROTE THE FUTURE according to the Koran, why are we living if he knows what we are going to do? (Allah doesn't know, he fucking WROTE the past, present, future etc.)
fifth, your post wasn't a valid explanation, I'll wait for shredder to push you down to the grown with that STUPID post.

 

Nope, a floating man on clouds who zaps us with lightening to get a lil happy? and controls us? i have my own mind, god. fake. Jesus mus have lived 1 year??? there is a 1 year gap between when he was born and when he was crucified.

 

Jesus was crucified at age 33.

 

1. It doesn't say any thing about "zapping" people in the bible with lightening.

2. I'm quite sure they did not crucify a 1 year old.


Do you think before you write things down?

 

I think I've already posted this...

There's a piece of candy and a vegetable. If God KNOWS, I mean KNOWS that you'll pick up the candy, can you pick up the vegetable? If you can, God's not omniscient, therefore, imperfect. If you can't, there is no free will.


If you can't understand such a simple concept, you should just get off of your computer and find your brain. It may be a little dusty, but don't worry, anything is better than what you have up there right now.

 

Excellent point, Power of Truth.

Here's a question. Can God create a rock so heavy, that he can't pick it up?

If he can, then he is not all powerful because he can't even pick up that rock.
If he can't well, then he's not all powerful, because he should be able to do everything. (Besides, I suppose, control people's free will >.>)

 

Yeah... Somebody else has said this already on this thread...

 

Yes, there is God, who else would've created all of this?

Think about it, would a tiny rock about the size of a germ explode and magically create the earth and universe?

My opinion.

 

Is an all-powerful old man up in the clouds any more realistic than that? That just happens to look exactly like us humans? That was around before anything ever existed?

And your idea of what the big bang is is completely wrong. A "tiny rock the size of a germ" did not explode and create the universe and the earth. I'd suggest you read this before making any more false statements:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang