The Existence of God

It's harder than it sounds.

 

That is a horrible excuse for not having any evidence. Regardless of difficulty, I would be delighted to see any evidence that you have, because I am 99.9% sure that it does not prove God exists.

 

I think you mean 99.9 (recurring) %, which mathematically is 100%.

Tbilisi, either share your evidence, or I am forced to assume that you know nothing on the matter, and you simply want to look big.

 

"It came to me in a dream!" - George Carlin

I, and possibly a few other people, have said a scientific theory is an explanation of observance.

If we hadn't already observed evolution, how do you think a theory came along?

Are you going to say, if someone punched you in the face, that pain would be a random event? That the electricity passing through your nervous system, contacting your brain, and having your brain react to the punch would be random?

That's basically what you're saying.


Damn, we've gone from the Big Bang to Evolution, to Abiogenesis.

Watch these Youtube playlists. They contain more information that would take me hours to post here.
5th Grade Genetics by 23andMe
Why Young Earth Creationists MUST Deny Gravity by cdk007 (if you believe the Universe is 6000 years old)
Evidence for Evolution, and against Creationism by cdk007
The Origins Series by cdk007
Evolution proven beyong a reasonable doubt by DonExodus2
How Evolution Works by DonExodus2
Transitional Fossils by DonExodus2
Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism by AronRa
From the Big Bang to Us -- Made Easy by Potholer54
CrAP (Creationist Astronomy Propaganda) Debunked
Physics 10 - Physics for Future Presidents by ucberkeley (This is for the no-math explanation of Physics so you don't have to be a Calculus grad)
Over 50 playlists providing evidence for evolution and debunking Intelligent Design/Creationism! by djarm67 (NOTE: I used this list of playlists since someone DMCA'd ExtantDodo's account for the same video that Youtube said was WITHIN Fair Use)




If you want a few laughs, watch this:
Why do people laugh at creationists? by Thunderf00t
Christian Satire by EdwardCurrent
Godless Comedy by Pat Condell (this is really nice if you like George Carlin-esque comedy)


Here you go. Now, watch these with an open mind. I did, and that's how I began to see what was wrong with what I believed (6 literal days of creation, 6000 year old universe, etc.)

And, of course, I'm sure a lot of you have seen this link before: TalkOrigins

 

Shredderbeam, nice argument saying the website is lying. Of course all Creationist are lying and all Evolutionist are not lying. You made a theory we proved it wrong, and your comeback is we're lying. The points prove themselves.

 

I'm not exactly sure what your getting at with that, but from what I can tell, it's not any kind of proof addressing the existence of (a) God.

 

50 or so years of testing really don't compare to the 100 million year window in which life is believed to have developed.

In any case:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515171023.htm

We're at the brink of creating new life.

Do you know how old that is? Allow me to educate you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200_1.html
http://www.newscientist.com/channel...cterial-flagellum-is-irreducibly-complex.html
http://www.idthink.net/biot/flag1/

In the case of the bacterial flagellum, if you remove one part, it no longer functions as a flagellum, true enough. However, does it function as something else? Yes.

Case in point: Bubonic Plague bacteria (Yersinia pestis). It has an almost identical mechanism to the E coli bacteria, but it has no "whip" part. What is this biological engine used for? Injecting poisons!

Do you not see how "Nature is opportunistic...cobbling together different molecules and reactions for entirely new purposes"?

Just post it. >_>

I'm not saying it's lying, I'm saying its arguments are idiotic. They're all based upon logical fallacies, misunderstandings, or outright falsehoods. Post a few here, instead of throwing links about, and I'll refute them for you.

 

Hey, what about clones? say we cloned a human, would the clone go to heaven or hell? But before you answer that, remember that he is our creation and not god's. If it was not for us, he would not exist.

 

That's a really hard question, lol.
I think so, because it's still a human. Derived from human tissue, from a creation of God.

 

But god had no intention of creating this clone. Remember, only we can control our free will. If these scientists who cloned this human had not made the decision to CREATE this human being, it would never even enter god's realm of decision. It is these hard questions that make many ex-theists wish they had voted differently on this poll, after reading the discussion.

 

It is your own question that puts flaws into your argument. Either yours, or another's that you're answering?

Anyways, the question would, ultimately, lead the clone to have no decision, if such were true. It would not be a creation of God, so it would not go into heaven, however, assuming it did nothing to go to hell, where would it go?

Purgatory? Some don't believe in such. This would mean that the clone would only go into the ground, and forever rest. However, in most bibles, it says "Heaven or Hell be thy factor", or something of the sort. This means that it had to go somewhere. The statement would only contradict itself, and we all know where most contradictions go.

Down the drain. None of these places are real. Heaven .. Hell. It is believed that Heaven has no flaws, yet a flaw, above. -.-

 

We aren't in Heaven yet.. right?

So, there's flaws.

Aside from heaven and hell, my only other idea is that it just dies, and goes nowhere. But that would mean it has no soul, because it was no born of a human.

 

What I'm saying is, there's so many obviously un-thought-out flaws in religion that only blind following remains, and that, sadly, is a force which no reason is able to penetrate.

 

If there are flaws in the concept, then somethings wrong.

 

God does seem like an impossible idea.
I do believe in it though.
When you think about it, it's a very weird concept.
But so what?
It helps me and many other people to guide us in our actions and try to be the best we can be.
Is believing that you have somewhere to go after life so bad?
It at least makes all the suffering in this world seem worth it, gives us a reason to hang in there.

Unfortunately there are some who kill in his name, making it into a bad concept.
Unfortunately there are some who are violent or hateful to people who do believe. Just let me feel like someone has my back and mind your own business.

 

I guess you forgot to study. I gave links for everyone to LEARN from but you choose to be WILLFULLY ignorant. Also, it's not that Shedder is claiming that they're lying, Shedder's just saying that they're just not educated in the subject subject, and that what they're saying is false.

If a doctor diagnosed you with cancer, showed you everything, hundreds of tests that come back as positive for cancer, would you tell them they're wrong? Especially if you hadn't even studied to become a doctor?

Would you call an engineer wrong when building a car that they're building wrong if they show you models of how it works and why it works? Even if you haven't even had any engineering experience in your life?

Why don't you study and see how everything works rather than covering your ears yelling "I'm not listening! I'm not listening!" and, when we finish, tell us that we're wrong. If you were to study in these fields of science and can show scientific models as to why they're wrong without spouting nonsense, then I'd congratulate you. Actually, you'd be awarded with a medal for your discovery. It's happened, time and time again.

What I was basically saying is that his "proof" would, possibly, be as absurd as saying that God told him in a dream.

 

It makes you feel good? Fantastic.

Why do you believe in him?

 

I do believe in a god, but at times I really doubt myself on this.

 

Did I not already say in my post? Reread then.

I'm not a religious nut, but I don't cut people down for what they do or don't believe either.

If you can't see my reason in my initial post.. then I am wasting my time getting into it. I imagine you think I'm an idiot for it either way. At least thats the vibe I'm getting from your other replies to this thread.

And to let you all know, no, I am not brainwashed. My parents and most of my other line of family members do not believe in god. I think for myself, and my first post shows what I think and why. If I'm an idiot for it, then I guess the saying ignorance is bliss is true.

 

Why do you believe in God?