The Existence of God

FOR FUCKS SAKE
you ppl are giving atheists a bad name...you assholes
im atheist too...i believe in what can be proved, and controlled conditions similar to the begining of the earth in an enclosed area have proven to create life, etc. etc.

but that doesnt mean you have to be ignorant bastards! what makes you any better than all the racist ppl? just let religious ppl believe what they want...if some1 wants to believe in god, let them. i believe its impossible, but for all I know there could be. your being just as bad as all the assholes leading churches. be the bigger one, let them believe what they want, and make them look like an ass because they're yelling at you at the top of their lungs while you stand there calmly.

and btw hanlon, while it doesnt say in the bible nonbelievers are sent to hell, thats basically the idea priests are pushing on everyone. (btw typical christian right there, squeezing in a quick anti-gay bit (NO i am not gay myself, i DO have a gf))

 

The entire point of a debate is to change the mind of other people. If you don't accept this, don't join the debate. We can and will question beliefs, because if we didn't, there would be no debate.

On a similar topic, are you able to say why God doesn't exist? (I am Atheist, but I'd like to see Atheists back their own opinions up).

 

yes but that doesnt require insults...like i said, let the catholic stand there yelling like an idiot while you calmly watch. you don't seem to be doing much for either side anyways. all i'm seeing from you is asking why either side believes in god or not.

You cannot prove atheism and religion' as they are just two opposite approaches. atheism is the approach of only believing in what is proven, and religion is the approach of creating an explanation until another is proven, until eventually enough actually is proven where religion and science meet (though this would require all the different relgions to stop mauling eachother and decide on something). I just choose to accept the approach of believing in what is proven.

BTW, anyone bringing up the whole creation of earth bit on the religious side...read inhereit the wind. u'll love it.

 

I'm agnostic;
I don't believe in a set god but I believe there is a higher power present.

 

I'll give my proof. Two words.







Big Bang.

That is all.

 

Whether or not things make sense is not always a reliable indicator of whether they are true. Take general relativity - it boggles common sense, but unfortunately, it is a fact, fixed, immutable.

Presumably, you believe other things on the basis of evidence. Why is God an exception?

Acts, 16:30-31.

They debate voluntarily, of their own accord. Go away.

An agnostic is one who believes that the existence of God is unknowable. You are a deist/pantheist of sorts.

Proof...of what?

 

Because there's no way to prove it.

So I believe, why is this so hard for your little mind to comprehend that I have faith?

 

Then why not treat it like any other unprovable hypothesis, and apply the "garbage in, garbage out" rule?

What I cannot comprehend is how you freely admit that there is no proof, but then announce that you believe anyway. Is it faith that you have? Faith is irrational. Truths are known by a priori and a posteriori (reason and evidence) - note that faith is neither of these.

 

Excuse me?
I hope you are kidding when you say half of Catholics are racist child molesters, or homosexuals (and why is being homosexual bad?). I was raised Catholic and nearly every Catholic I know is a good, nice person, if a bit misled and confused.

 

yes i do

 

As stated by Sythe, this is not an opinion section of the forums, if you are going to state something, back it up with reason and logic or get banned.

Back on topic: Why do you believe?

 

Im agnostic can make up my mind so many things magical yet so many things scientific....

 

im an athiest , i believe it's a rather crazy belief , if i had a choice between god and the flying spagetti monster you probably know what i'd choose

 

Clay Aiken has a wife and a kid, but he recently came out of the closet.
Your turn.

I, myself, am an Atheist. I have my fair share of converts, as I'm sure Shredderbeam does as well. But I don't go pushing my Atheism on others, if they want to discuss it, I'll defend my point of view, and some have actually agreed with me.

 

You want me to dig for facts? Here you go.




"The site was first brought to attention in the late 1950s after high altitude aerial survey photographs revealed a boat-shaped structure in the mountains of the Ararat region.

Although initially dismissed by some, Ron Wyatt (photo1) and others undertook extensive investigative work on the site for nearly a decade.

Employing such methods as subsurface interface radar scanning, metal detection surveys, core-drilling, etc., the results were spectacular. Buried at an altitude of 6,300 feet was the physical remains of a man-made structure, an enormous ship."

http://www.pbase.com/deputydasm/image/59316157

This is the Ark. It was at high altitudes, because of a world-wide flood.

This is just one instance, where things in the Bible have been found, and proven, real.

They have also proven that Sodom and Gomorrah, were truley destroyed. They have found salt remains from a "woman of salt" persay, from the woman who looked back at Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

Reponse to LegitNamesCo:

1) The real Ark landed on “the mountains of Ararat.” Mount Ararat consists of two mountains, or peaks, called Greater Ararat and Lesser Ararat. This boat-shaped formation is on neither of those mountains.

2) The shape of this formation is like a modern fossilized boat, but it does not fit the dimensions of Noah's Ark given in the Bible (length six times its width). The Bible says the width was 50 cubits (75 feet or 22.5 meters). That means it was rectangular, not pointed at the ends, but you can see the formation pictured is only a few meters wide at the ends, not 50 cubits. This formation's width is all wrong.

3) Bible-believing geologists have thoroughly examined this object and found it is made of different types of rock. If it were the Ark it would contain fossilized wood, but it doesn't. Some people thought they found fossilized wood in it in the 1980s, but it turned out to be basalt (a volcanic rock).

4) The streamlined, pointed shape of the rock formation is unlike what Bible scholars and creationist scientists believe the Ark was like. They believe the real Ark had squared-off ends. It only had to float, and squared-off ends are the most stable shape. The Ark was not going anywhere, because it was merely a vessel for keeping alive the representative animals that God sent to Noah for preservation. So pointed ends would not be practical.

5) Other rock formations in the area are the same shape as the formation above, but they are of different sizes. The Turkish Air Force released the photo at right that shows three similar “ark” shapes on Lesser Mount Ararat. Supporters of the formation pictured at the top of this page chose it only because its length roughly matches the real Ark's length. They ignore the smaller, similar geological formations. All these formations seem to have formed when volcanic material flowed down the mountain.



Source: http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/notark.html

 

I provided a reason to believe. Not rock-hard-omfg-it's-real facts.

Kthnxbai.


As I said, I don't need the facts to believe, I just believe. It's called faith.

 

Believing with nothing to go by is irrational. Faith is irrational. If I told you the sun wasn't going to rise tomorrow, but had no evidence for my claim, only a claim, would you believe me? Similarly, if science shows that the sun is about to turn in to a massive supernova, would you believe me then, with rock hard proof?

Of course, people think there's nothing wrong with faith, but on the contrary, I think it's detrimental to overall intelligence. If one hopes for something to be true, only to find out at the last hurdle that it's false, then what?

 

There's a difference between religion and the sun rising.


And the sun won't turn into a super nova for a very very long time. Up into the millions of years.

And if, just if, my religion is false. And at the last second of life I found out. Then I've wasted my life.
But, I believe that I'm not wasting my life. As irrational as it may seem, I don't care.

 

If I told you "grab my hand, or you will die" you would most likely grab my hand for fear of dieing.

Now if someone tells you to pray or you will die, you would most likely do it. Religion, in my opinion, is based solely on FEAR.