Obama or McCain?

wonder who will win

 

Obama WILL win. His ideas to bring U.S into better success are WAY better than Mcains. Psh... Mcain even uses crappy advertisements with paris hilton and makes fun of Obamas great ideas because he forgets that the little things matte too... obama is way better

 

obama

 

...Did you REALLY just insult our first president?


In my opinion, you have no fucking right to speak your opinions if you say George Washington, our forefather who fought more than any president in history, and was a PHENOMENAL General, is the worst person to have as a president.

CLEARLY your views of who should be a president, and who should not be is skewed.

I'm very glad that most of you are under the age of 18, because based on what I'm seeing in this thread... not one of you, except give or take a few, have supplied a good reason as to why you would vote for a particular candidate.


Those of you who are voting for Obama, let me ask you this:

Are you SO willing to progress into the unknown? It'd be the same as having a female as a president, if Obama gets presidency, not only will things be drastically different, but it could make or break this country. I'm sorry, but I am UNWILLING to go that distance. Obama is SUCH an unsure thing, that he shouldn't even be running. No one knows if he'll CHANGE midterm to a lazy nicca, or if he'll stay in his ideals.

In my opinion, the Obama you see now, will not be the Obama you see in office. Vote NObama 08.



Those of you who are voting for McCain, let me ask you this:

Often has this country rested on an old white man with no REAL opinions, and no REAL ideals to ACTUALLY help. Why would you put another George Bush in office, when all you did was bitch about him? McCain resembles him tooo much, imo, and he has no actual stance to support him. He simply is going to continue on the common ground of presidential escapades. All talk, and no action make McCain a VERY dull boy.

In my opinion, McCain isn't TOO bad of a candidate, but that's all he should ever be. Putting him into office isn't going to help anything from the Bush/Clinton transition.



Now, those of you who have NEVER heard of Ron Paul, listen the fuck up:

Our country was founded on terms of independence. Sure, there will ALWAYS be corruption, and there will ALWAYS be issues to address... But our fore fathers RISKED their lives to make a better future. They committed treason, larceny, theft, murder, and much more just so their descendants may live in a better country.

And this is how you repay them? You take that piece of paper, and you wipe your fucking ass with a huge smile on your face screaming "Change!". Shows how considerate you are, you fucking traitor.

Our country WAS strong, but with people like you, who are so eagerly awaiting the destruction of a very valuable piece of parchment, are destroying it.

The next time you get in a car, or you read a book, or you sleep in a warm bed, or you get on a fucking computer, remember that you would not have that ability without our forefathers' sacrifice. You are taking for granted something that may not last much longer, should the constitution not be abided by.

Ron Paul seeks to put that strength back into the country, and to make people FEEL privileged. We have been abused once again by our government, and they are not allowed to do that. But I bet none of you could even quote the Bill of Rights! (Except the few of you, especially Shredder ). It's sad that you don't even know what you're allowed to do, and what you're not supposed to do.

You rely on religion, parents, and the like to guide you. That's not how it's supposed to be. You're supposed to rely on your country, but no one's blaming you, because it's hard to rely on something that's kind of betrayed you.

Which is WHY we NEED a president that will go BACK to the way things were SUPPOSED to be when we said "Fuck You" to England, and made our own damn country. The corners of the map are filled this time, however, and there's no where to run. So we need to step up and FIX what has been destroyed on the asses of thousands of asses around the nation.


Ron Paul '08.



Edit:

Some of you will say that your vote doesn't matter, so you'll just go with the majority. I would like to inform you that it's YOU people that say that, that prevents such things. If everyone thought like you, of COURSE they're going to vote for the other guy. Ron Paul is only an unsure thing because none of the voters think they make a difference. YOU DO. Don't let your vote go to waste on a piss poor candidate, please, for your sake and mine.


Will a mod PLEASE edit the poll to include Ron Paul, or delete this thread, as I am highly offended.

 

When Dark Summer said Washington I think he meant Bush..

Ron Paul is racist..

And Palin is a retard, if anyone watched or heard about her little interview yesterday then you probably heard about how she was asked about the Bush plan on doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations . She clearly had no clue as to what it was and tried to beat around the bush and even change the subject until she was asked again. Then she goes on about something totally wrong showing that she knows shit about things going on and she is in no way shape or form ready to be a VP. If you want to read up on it a bit I've found a link talking about it http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080912.htm

Obama wins '08.

 

You supported no fact to your statement that Ron Paul is racist.

You called a respectable person a retard, when I doubt you know any better.

And I bet you didn't even read all of my post as you didn't even have a proper claim.

 

I didn't care to elaborate on my statement on Ron Paul because I know that he has no chance of winning anyways, I did edit the post a bit to show a bit more on why Palin is not worthy of being VP.

 

/Win.

 

I lol'd at that .

She's still dumb and not qualified.

 

I think your claims about Obama wanting to shred the constitution and take away warm beds and the right to life from everyone are completely wrong. If there is something wrong with Obama's policy in that regard, explain how it violates the constitution. I'm not really enthusiastic about Obama, but I haven't seen any meaningful criticism of him yet.

If you actually look at what the ideology of the founding fathers, they opposed centres of power and authority. That means they would also be against the corporate capitalism of today in the same way they were opposed to the feudal system, the power of the church and the absolutist state in the 18th century. So while you trumpet on about Ron Paul taking us "back to basics", you forget how much America has changed these past 200 years and how some doctrines that held true in the 18th century may not be so valid today.

 

obama will probably win, but you never know..

bush never got most popular vote, but still became president

 

I was not insinuating that Obama was shredding the constitution, I said you the people were because you don't stand up for your rights. And if you want me to tell you how Obama does, ok... here goes..

/pulls up Obama's policy, and the BoR, and the Constitution

Ron Paul's policy on education:

Ron Paul rarely speaks on the topic of education because he feels that it goes hand in hand with the rest of his opinions. The Federal Government needs to get their fucking hands out of our asses. Obama simply wants to stick his up there further.

Him, McCain, and others are trying to enforce a government that should NOT exist.

And if you say that the Constitution doesn't matter, or the same values don't apply... Think again dude... The Constitution, and the Bill of Rights should be adhered to because all of the laws, and the shit we have to do, and the stuff we go through is UNNECESSARY. In fact... The world is less violent today than it was many years ago (Mention the war on terror and I'll fucking report your ass cause that shit is our fault for not following the damn constitution.)

I am a United States Sailor.

I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, and I will obey the orders of those who are appointed over me.

I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world.

I proudly serve my country's Navy combat team with Honor, Courage and Commitment.

I am committed to excellence, and the fair treatment of all.


^ Sailors creed.


The Constitution still matters, we swear to it, and we uphold it. If Obama isn't going to adhere to it, I would not even THINK of voting for him. He hasn't shown any aspect of sticking to the Constitution... All he wants to do is 'CHANGE!'.

He might even abolish the BoR, and you wouldn't even know it.

And what's wrong with that?

They fled from Tyranny, and saved us from hell. America is against corporate capitalism of today...

Are you telling me you LIKE the government taking YOUR money?

It's OUR money, NOT theirs. So why the fuck do they claim it as such?

 

He's got my vote. BTW Deacon owned all you're asses. For those of you who are mentally challanged I'll sum up what he said. Obama=drastic changes of which we can't predict the outcome
McCain=bush cont. and he's boring
Ron Paul=best canidate, but stands no chance.
Conclusion, McCain is our next prez, gtf over it.

 

Comparing some quotes from you:

What you are actually saying there is that if I vote for Obama, I am shredding the constitution by helping him become president. Same thing as you saying Obama will shred the constitution.

And you're stating that Obama "shreds the constitution" by increasing education spending... There is nothing wrong with federal involvement, and education is already largely controlled at a state and local level anyway.

The US government as it is should not exist? Why? You know that by comparative standards the US is undertaxed, and that it's regressively taxed. A real progressive taxation system is what is needed to improve living standards and is, incidentally, what Jefferson advocated.

I didn't say that the constitution or bill of rights should be thrown out (it has worked pretty well for 200 years). I'm saying that there are real-world problems which need to be tackled. Take that Obama quote you gave - the failing education system. If increasing education spending means going against some unspecified part of the constitution (in your narrow view), then elected politicians shouldn't have to hesitate.

And what laws, and stuff, are unnecessary?

How did you know that Bush wasn't going to abolish the bill of rights before he became president?

Obama did teach constitutional law for 10 years, if you actually read about his policy you would know what he advocates. His campaign team use "change" as his slogan to appeal to the masses, but there is actual information if you actually look

I honestly don't think you know what you are talking about. Were you aware that Ron Paul is still going to implement taxation, and it will be a disastrous system which will put the burden on the poorer majority? He would take us back to before 1929 with laissez faire economics.

 

Tarrorist obama is a baby killer and a lieing bitch. Oh and if you notice on how many promous he has made tax's will go up 30% if he actuly sticks to what he said. Plus how the hell can you support some one that supports killing babys and raiseing tax's when people can barely make ends meet now. Barrak obama is a baby killer because he believes after a baby is born that mom has the right to terminate the baby. Look at his interviews. Don't like obama just because hes black or ur parrents say hes a good man. Look at the facts my friends.

 

If you want Obama to be president just because he is black your an utter /fail that is not a good reason for someone to be a president, If Obama is president half of you 10 year old kiddies on here wont be anymore, he will try to pass 50% tax's and no one will be able to make 250k+ income a year, so almost everyone in america will become poor. Maybe you should watch the news and actually think about it.

 

Barack Obama, fosho. Obama for 08.

 

Taxes help the country. The money stays in america, all it does is the money will be spent more on certain services.

Their not trying to pass 50% taxes, people just thought of some random averages and added them up.

Be selfish and watch the U.S. Decline Or Give, and watch it prosper.
- Which would you perfer?

 

Indeed. And anyways, Obama actually knows what to do with taxes.

 

If I could vote, I'd vote him, he's done alot so far just as a senate, think of what he can do as a president. People, stop saying his "CHANGE" Slogan is just talk. He means change in the economy, Change in poltics, Change in how we treat others and how we should look out for each others back.

There won't be a world war, fighting small time retards with guns and a death wish. It's sad we cant nuke the mess out of them and be done with it, but we still have civilians and other causualties over there.

McCain is good, but for the past couple weeks, I cant watch TV without seeing one of his stupid ads on how "bad" obama is. All he does is trashtalk, because he is loosing when it comes to saying the right things to getting peoples attention. + He has already had 3 strokes, and he could die in office and leave that D.A. "Hockey mom" as a president. When he just put her up there to make the Hilary Supporters come on his side EVEN MORE.