Core Democratic Values

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Core Democratic Values
  1. Unread #1 - Aug 25, 2008 at 1:38 PM
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    This topic is from another forum I use, but I think it can be of intelligent discussion.

     
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    Core Democratic Values

    so then by the "core democratic values" you speak of aren't jails in themselves illegal for taking away the ability too "pursue their happiness".


    on the topic of pot, who really cares about all the fancy names and stuff. In reality the governments have stood their ground for that long that they wont back down on it because they have no idea what might happen as a consequence... A risk i know i wouldn't want too take if i was the man in charge...
     
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    The Constitution is taken to be akin to Holy Writ. I don't think policy-makers should have to base their judgment of right and wrong on a generalized set ground rules.
     
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    You think the constitution is a generalized set of ground rules? Lol..
     
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    Psssst. PSSSST!


    So Does Cannabis. =_="
     
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    Since when wasn't the constitution a set of ground rules for the running of law and government in the US? :rolleyes:

    What I meant was that policymakers shouldn't feel compelled to legalize harmful drugs just because it can be argued that them being illegal violate people's "core democratic values".
     
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    The drug companies have a lot of money and power. Marijuana has the potential to eliminate many pharmaceutical drugs from the market.

    Psssst. PSSSST!

    Cannabis smoke is much less damaging to your lungs than tobacco. In fact

    http://www.european-lung-foundation.org/index.php?id=10262

    Not to mention that if anyone smokes 20 blunts or more a day then they are either god, or sit around all day doing nothing, high out of their mind. Show me one case of marijuana related death or injury. Finally,
    "The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
    The new findings 'were against our expectations,' said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years."

    The source to that above quote, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html

    Another interesting fact, marijuana was originally made illegal based on racism and false evidence. Quoting Henry J. Anslinger, the first head of the Bureau of Narcotics and the man directly responsible for originally making marijuana illegal in the United States

    "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

    The above is complete racism and untrue.

    "...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

    Proof please.

    "Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

    Anything can be mentally addictive. Marijuana does not produce insanity, criminality, and is impossible to die from if used responsibly.

    "Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

    Racism.

    "Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

    Proof please.

    "You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

    Were did that come from? Proof please.

    "Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."

    Quite the opposite.
     
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    If you even took into thought what I bolded in my quote, you would see that I was trying to get across the point that Cannabis, regardless of it being less damaging, IS STILL DAMAGING.

    Also, about your proof of people dieing from marijuana....

    from http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuana/facts/mj-health-mythology.html#myth5
     
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    Almost everything can be damaging to you.

    About the death. I thought I put in a "...if marijuana is used responsibly." some where in there. Apparently I forgot. Now if you take that into account, then since the article you have linked says 30% higher risk presumably- yes I know, presumably- from accidents, then if you use marijuana responsibly and do not operate machinery ect. you effectively have no risk of death. There is no way in hell you are going to die from marijuana if you use it responsibly(especially if you vaporize :idea:).
     
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    I would like to add, that running is more harmful to your brain than smoking any amount of weed will ever do to you. While running your brain bounces up and down slapping the insides of your skull completely destroying cells in your brain. While marijuana simply releases a chemical already inside your body into your brain.

    Alcohol is legal, yet it can kill entire families in car wrecks, destroying your brain cells, liver, kidneys, and is fattening...and it also can ruin your family life. Alcohol also does not really relax you, it causes your brain to make decisions that it would normally never ever make.

    The same health detriments go for smoking, if you smoke your own homegrown tobacco it is actually not very unhealthy....cigarette companies add chemicals to their tobacco and is terrible for you.



    IMO, marijuana is illegal because people would grow it in their backyards and in their houses and the United States government could not tax it.
     
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    The government likes to chose whats good and bad for you, which is wrong and violates your freedom. They haven't and wont answer any important question that anyone wants to ask.
     
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    Drugs are basically only illegal for political reasons, end of story.

    Everyone knows this and it doesn't change much, though cannabis has become such a widespread commodity that the government will probably be forced to make it legal sooner or later.
     
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    You don't even live in the United States, so what are you even talking about? Most of this is about the United States laws, etc.
     
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    I have the right to post my opinion as long as i'm following the forums rules, Just because I don't live there doesn't mean I cant post what I think, Many people on this forums don't live in the united states. I actually do know what I'm talking about and know a bit of politics and the current state of the U.S.A.
     
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    Maybe for cannabis this is partly the case, but for hard drugs? No. Ordinary people and the medical community don't condemn drugs like heroin because of political brainwashing.
     
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