"But you call me a racist"

Yes, they had civilaztions and kindoms. I'm not trying to say they were "swinging from trees" while the rest of the world flourished. Simply, they were not and still are not as technolically advanced as the rest of the world.

Funny thing, whites enslaved Africans and now we are helping Africa from falling apart.

 

They were fairly advanced, despite having a less than optimal climate for growing crops, and having to deal with the steel and guns of the Europeans.

 

The only problem is the majority of the slaves were bought from African tribes that had enslaved other African tribes and sold them. Only now we are helping Africa because we feel sorry for buying them...

 

Well, it's more to do with the fact that Africa is a mess. I guess we could thank colonialism for that.

 

did anyone ever notice that in white commercials there's always a black family. were not racist. what about BET, specified for black people only basically, thats racist!

 

Your forgeting about all the dumbass white people in the BET shows though. You know the ones that usually look nerdy or have the IQ similar to a rock but they are usually the best friends of the main characters. And lets not forget Chelsey from Thats So Raven you know...

 

Ha, black entertainment makes me gag.

And you make a good point, the only white people in prodomently black shows are made out to be ditzy or dumb.

 

Would you consider your signature racist??? Yes, I am calling you out on it.

 

Not at all, it's simply a joke about a popular video game.

If it had said "looking for whites" and it was made clear that a black person was playing the game, I probably would have put it in my signature. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is looking for blacks that I find funny, but the sheer fact that they are passing up "killing hookers" which is probably the most publicized option in that game, to "looking for blacks."

 

I agree with all of this. Great read btw.

 

I completely agree with you, for some points of this argument

 

This is reality, all so very true. Raped the land and took the baby they did.

But the main thing is, if you don't like someone cos they are black, white, yellow or green :sick: even, shut your mouth cos no one gives a rats ass what you think about them.

Your beliefs are unsupported. And as for those that complain about how black people get away with being racist, your forefathers brought it upon you. So don't fight back, just leave it and it will all go away.

Remember, we are all human.

Don't flame me for what I just said, this is forum is made for INTELLIGENT debates.

 

I can dislike whoever I want. And again you're aim is more towards individuals than it is a race as a whole. I actually have black friends. I'll give anyone a chance befor I judge them.

But, as a race blacks are inferior in every aspect of society. This is a fact and can be proven through countless studies and censuses. I don't care whos fault it is that they are like they are today, the simple fact is they bring society down. Their shortcomings outweigh their accomplishments.

 

Yeah I agree with you, everyone is a racist though, not just whites. Its in our genes to have pride of what we are.

 

I never said you can't dislike some one, just not to communicate it to them without a valid reason. Your point that you don't care who's fault it was shows that you lack any kind of empathy.

Lets just put this into perspective. Lets say Chine drops a biological weapon of some form or another on the US, contaminating the entire population. So, as these contaminated people bring down the worlds society it means we should not care or help them? We should start calling them names over how they are? And all this time, no one cares that China did it, because as you said, "I don't care who's fault it is that they are like they are today..."

Saying "I don't care who's fault it is that they are like they are today..." is just avoiding a massive point in the debate, practically saying they are at fault for how they are today.

What about fat people? Or smokers? Costing billions of dollars a year to pay for health related problems that come from their status. Fat people get bagged, but what about smokers. It is "cool" to smoke!

Also, pride is fine, but racism is the extreme.

 

The thing is we do help those in need. Really to an extreme point. We give all those in need handouts. Welfare, free healthcare, lower taxes, etc.

All of these things cost middle to upper class people. Fact is, more blacks fall into the lower class catagorie than whites. So is it wrong for me to say they are to blame, more than any other race, for a large majority of America's problems?

Fat people and smokers contribute to one aspect of problems, but blacks truly do contribute to nearly all problems.

I don't hate blacks, I just blame them.

 

In the USA, people in need are helped less than in pretty much any country in the industralized world.

Poverty is caused by socioeconomic problems, not the people unfortunate enough to end up poor themselves. Black people aren't inherent failures. It is the residue of (still ongoing) discrimination which has made them into one of the most disadvantaged "problem causing" groups in America. I wouldn't blame black people for being poor any more than I would blame a white person born into a family of millionaires for being rich.

 

Back to the "Is it their fault or the white mans fault" argument.

I look at blacks and don't see them trying to change their situation. On a personal note, I went to school where there was a fairly even ratio of blacks and whites. Of the whites, I'd estimate 1/20th were on free or reduced lunch. Of the blacks, I honestly would guess over half of them to be on it.

So yes we've established blacks are less fortunate. But of those I never saw any trying to change their staus. However, I did see quite a few black girls get pregnant for the simple purpose of welfare. They would proudly tell you that. Most of the white people I knew worked a part time job, but I can only think of 3 or 4 blacks who worked. And yes, I knew quite a few blacks personaly through football and whatnot.

Also, of the blacks in my school nearly all of them did poorly grade wise. All the while the whites did fair as a whole. Honors classes consisted of all whites except for one black girl. Every year I was in highschool the amount of blacks increased due to city schools being closed. Each year our dropout rate increased and our testscores dropped. So tell me why whites are doing better in school envirmoents than blacks when the same education is being offered?

And yes I know I can't back my personal school experiance with statistics, you'll just have to take my word.

 

History is how we learn to be better people, you are still looking at the problem of today, and totally negating what white people did. Your argument is invalid until you can accept history into your argument.

You blame black people for being a weight on society, yet don't care that it was some other groups fault for that. Not logical.

 

Nobody in this thread has denied what out ancestors did. You are trying to play some stupid game; and it's not working.

We have posted MANY different proofs and examples of black to white statistics. If that isn't "logical" explain to me what is.