The Existence of God

Very well said. I can't believe why other people deny this when I tell them the exact same thing. I was raised to believe, and luckily I came to my senses.

 

Well i God don't exist, how come ghosts are always shunned away during rituals of remoxing the spirits from one's body? There must be something that help us during the ritual and it is surely God. So God exists!

 

Exorcism is a scam, until proved otherwise.

 

I believe in god personally. I just can't imagine him not being there. Why live if there is no point. Perhaps we perceive him to be completely different than he actually is, but I still believe he exists.

 

Why is God necessary for a purpose to life?

 

So, Shredder, what's your purpose in life?

 

Pardon my intrusion. How does this belief in "God" give someone a point in life.
I also dont get how we can percieve something that as far as Im concerned as well as a majority of people believe that god does not exist, different?
I dont mean to challenge your system of beliefs I mean this as I state it keep believing in this thing. God in my belief is just a device used to keep people in line yeah fear of hell and all of that. Trust me I know both sides of the argument I USED to believe in it. Only the fact is I want scientific proof not a book of fairy tails and storytellers.

 

I just don't see the reason for living if there's nothing after life. Shooting myself in the head doesn't look so bad when I can just leave this horrid place we call earth. The thing is that assuming god exists, there will never be proof. It is about believing what is seen and unseen. In order to test how much we actually believe in him.

Personally I don't believe in hell. If god loves us all to a point where we can't imagine, and he takes the time to create each and every one of us individually why would he send anyone to place of internal suffering? The concept seems strange and unusual to me. He knows everything, if he temps us with greed and evil then why should we go to hell? He knows everything and he knows what's going to happen before it happens, so why would he create anyone knowing that they will go to such a place as hell where we feel pain that we can not come close to imagining?

For example he may make a person go through a life that will corrupt him and cause him to go insane with power in order to teach the rest of earth a lesson. I just can't see why the person in the example deserves hell (it was modeled after Hitler). Of course that is just what I believe.

Well if you believe he made humans then he seems a little necessary.

 

Ok on the subject of your Hitler suggestion.
If in fact there was a "heaven" why would such a corrupt individual like hitler go to enternal peace? That logic there seems far fetched to me.

As for hell I believe in it just as much as I believe there is a heaven not at all.
Although the prospect of going to a place of eternal suffering scares people into behaving or following a goodwill prospect. People should behave this way regardless of afterlife or not I guess Brainwashing has done some good.

Well see the whole belief that there is not an afterlife doesnt scare me or alot of people for that matter.
I will never understand why Man fears that there is an end.
As a matter of fact are you sure if you blew your head of right now that youd go to this eternal Paradise?
Oh and why would you want to kill yourself if that meant youd just cease to exist? Not a very healthy prospect there.
So your saying that god is like Santa Clause or the easter bunny?
Believing in the unseen isnt always the best thing to do.

 

Heaven is a perfect place where there is not even the slightest evil. When good people go there supposedly all the evil in them is destroyed, so same with Hitler, all of his evil in him is destroyed. So if there is no evil then everyone who was evil will realize the truth and be brought to justice. Brainwashing is only necessary on earth because people can't be good on their own because no matter who you are there is always greed and evil inside of you. So if the evil isn't relinquished when you go to heaven then in order to have a perfect land no one would be there.

The prospect of no afterlife doesn't necessarily scare me, but more just perplexes me. No, I'm not sure that if I shot myself right now that I'd go to heaven because no matter how sure of my beliefs, I will never be 100% sure because I am believing in what I don't see. But I do not desire to blow my head off because it seems snobby and bratty to me. If life is hard then I suck it up and toughen up. I don't give up like a baby. If I killed myself and ceased to exist then why would it matter to me? I wouldn't exist, so it's no skin off my back. I could feel sorry or anything because simple as that, I wouldn't exist.

Believing in Santa is like believing gnomes come into my house at 6 in the morning. It can be easily disproved and it has no reason to be this way. Why the hell would gnomes want to come into me house? God ceases to be seen so that life can continue on earth. If he showed himself then there would be no need for earth.

 

"X is comforting" does not imply "X is true".

My purpose is to live a satisfying life. That is all.

 

Exactly m8, if it makes me feel good and like not worthless I guess it's true! Wtf. It's like kiddie commercials...

 

So, you live your satisfying life, devoid of crime, you're rich, great wife etc.
and then what happens after you die? Nothing? Everything you have lived for, to satisfy yourself is wasted? I cannot condone that ideal. Sorry.

 

I don't see any cons for not believing in him.

Though, I'm not one of them stuck up religious people who yell about sinning, believing in God doesn't affect my life.

 

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your logic seems to be something along the lines of "I am not happy with no life after death, therefore, God exists". I believe that this is faulty logic.

 

Well like your belief in the afterlife I believe that if someone like Hitler were givn another shot at the world they would change their ideals. No matter the circumstance I believe that a person can never really change 100% so console me on this further about how you can be brought to justice by death?
I can see the perks for other people like Holocaust survivers.

Brainwashing shouldnt exist.
I see it is that people can live their own existence without having others tell them what they have to do. I mean so many different organizations already lead the masses that shouldnt like the church using fear and a belief system to turn a profit. Like a hooker satisfy the needs of the consumer ie the masses and make the money desired. Or like the sheep and the shepard either way you put the math all adds up the same. A negative number.

But see what if I believed in a fictional character like gnomes?
They way Im trying to put it is that its like god if you can convince enough people that said numeral exists then it must be true. Like when you were younger you believed that Santa Clause was real? So why not an idol like god or jesus who preaches good will towards all men sure this is a humble prospect but it doesnt exactly mean its true.

I dont see how god is the reason for the earth to exist?
I mean I always thought that Earth came to be through gravity
and mineral condensing.
Also the whole god used evolution as a tool (theistic evolution) is a false idea, because such a belief would render most sciences like Geology and ,ETC to be irrelevant and useless. So I guess you see my point

 

I forgive you for being wrong. My logic is that I believe there is life after death, therefore God exists. Faulty logic? Okay. Faulty logic and faith are not the same thing.

 

But both are irrational. Be rational or simply don't post.

 

His logic is simple, if you had everything you ever wanted in your life. Then having everything you wanted in afterlife isn't great because you've had it before.

If he had a life that was full of crime, poor lifestyle, and no money, and then going to having everything in the afterlife. His afterlife would be great, but doing bad in real life probably wouldn't be advisable considering that there is no proof of afterlife.

 

Why would you believe this?

Actually, they are. Faith not a rational, empirical way of knowing truths about the universe. If you rely on faith for your argument, then you bow out of the debate by default.