The Existence of God

Please, justify why we will go to hell for not believing. Can you see the huge gap of morals here? If god really does send people to hell for not believing, then id rather go to hell...

Explain how we are deserving an eternity of agony because we dont believe in some superstition. Would you send your parents, your friends, your own son, to an eternity of agony because they dont believe in you? then why would you think that this god that "loves us all" do it without question?

Iv posted this plenty of times yet you all ignore it because you know im right. atleast admit it.

 

Wrong. Please read Schnell answer cuz I can't find betta answer. When god order something and u don't do it please don't come and say that came for god.U disobeyed him, So don't put the wrong on him.

Thank U very Much. I appreciate that.

Why is He impossible? . We agreed its impossible to prove his non-existence

OMG. In my opinion scientific facts prove god existence.God ordered human to search in the earth and find how the creating began.All physics and other sciences proves god existence in my opinion.Enough for me that many scientific facts was set in Quraan which was written 1400 years ago and we just discovered that it was true 2day.Check in My signature ( Miracles of Quraan)

Read previous page.We all agreed if there were a clear proof like god showing himself then all ppl will believe in God. Then all ppl will go to heaven and no one will go to hell. This why we call it believing..

Don't say what u will neva be able to stand. God created anyone to worship him and develop the earth.Ask any blind person and he will tell u how much ur eyes worth. When u meet god and ask u what did u do with things he gave to u and u can't answer then u will deserve punishment. I don't want to talk about hell but don't say that u want to go there.

In judgement day , Everyone will only take care of himself. No one will look for him son,parents or wife. I answered in prev section. He gave u a lot of amazing things just to worship him. If u don't believe in God u may steal, kill , hit ur wife , drink wine and do terrible things. U may be like Hitler who killed thousands of ppl. Now Do u think that u deserve punishment or there is no justice. Everyone can do what he want but make sure that anything wrong u did will be back on u cuz one of gods name is Justice. Let me ask u a question : '' If someone gave u a palace , alot of money and wonderful car , How would u treat him ?'' . U will do for him more than asked u to do. Now go to anyone who have any disability and he will tell u that he is ready to trade all money in the world for the heal. God gave u many things and deserve thanking. U aren't only not thanking him , But u denying his existence as well. Then u come and say why I deserve punishment, U will know but it will be too late.

 

Direct empirical evidence of God, please.

Can God create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it? If yes, then he cannot lift it, and is not all-powerful. If no, he cannot create it, and is not all-powerful.

All of the miracles in the Quraan are explainable. Even if they weren't, miracles violate the laws of nature. These laws are so highly confirmed that the odds that a true miracle has taken place are incredibly low.

 

science proves the opposite. also, in 300bc, pythagoras knew the world was round and not flat, he discovered the pythagoras theorem. does that make him a god?

So he wants to send people to hell?

Il say name one thing you gave me god. name one prayer you have answered, name one reason why i should worship you.

Name one

So you are punished for things you could have done, even tho you didnt do them? wheres the justice?

I would treat them like i owed them. as god hasnt given me any of this i owe god nothing.

Can you see the gaps in your irrational thinking. He has to have people not believe so people can go to hell. like come on.

 

This question should come from other one than u. U were here when we discussed this.So u shouldn't have started that again.Anyway, U can't put human abilities against god abilities.Like, He can make a rock that no creature can left but he can do anything so he will left it easily. He isn't human.

U can watch any video in my sign and come to discuss. I don't depend on the miracle but I depend on that Muhammed knew it from 1400 years ago. Miracle happened means that Physics can't prove everything but my point how did Muhammed know things we has just discovered ?

Have u even watched any video ?:S. OR u just choose wat u want ...

He wants all ppl to go to heaven and the most clear evidence of that he can kill all of us in 1 sec and no one can say a word. God can destroy all of us and make other ppl who worship him.But because he wants to anyone to heaven he forgive anyone who go back to him wateva he did.So he wants everyone go to heaven but if u don't want to its ur choice.

Gave u everything. Gave u health,food, sight,hands ,legs, .......................................................................................thousands of things.
He answered thousands of prayers all over the world.He answered me , father ,mother and friends.
U should worship him cuz he created u and gave u thousands of things and u should thank him for that.

Ur Eyez

Nope I said if u may and if u did u will deserve. Do u drink , smoke, steal , hit ur wife, sleep with girls. All of these things deserve punishment and I'm sure u r doing one of them.More of all u aren't believing in him while he gave u wat I have said be4.

Read prev answers.U could be blind,Have no legs or hands,dumb so u should thank him for that. Btw, U didn't read my answer cuz I said this be4 please read and then come.

 

I think you misinterpreted what both Swan and I were trying to point out. Subsequently, it MATTERS NOT whether these people were true Muslims, or whether or not they disobeyed God, the truth is seemingly clear that RELIGION was the stem of these attacks and ultimately RELIGION was the cause of such violence. Why can't I put any wrong on him? Religion consequently propelled such people to commit such hideous crimes, clearly if these people didn't believe or follow any specific religion there would be no motivation for such attacks.

 

There is a higher chance that there are aliens, but god? Pff.. How can you believe in somewhat that no1 can prove that there is.

I personally believe that God is a thing that man has to believe in that he would be a good man and would not do what he wants. That is like when you don't believe in god - You don't care where you in youre afterlife, because you know that there is not such a thing like afterlife, but man who thinks that there is a god - he will not do any bad things and the humanity is the one race that needs some higher force that they think that can punish them.

Sorry for bad English, I hope you understood what I wanted to say.

 

Christian Ftw!
I also pray the holy Saradomin every night.

Jk.

 

OMG. When God say that anyone kill any person will be go to hell. Then someone came and kill ppl , U can't say that religion did it as they don't know anything about religion.Don't blame the religion.

WTF. Why everyone come and start from his reply. Do u know that ur post is number 1152. Please if u want to come in this argue ready first. Believing means that u believe in something and u can't see it. If there were a proof that no one can deny then all ppl will believe in god and Believe will lose its meaning. It won't be believing anymore. For me I find proofs everywhere I look.But u want a proof like god showing himself then u destroyed the meaning of belief.

I believe that there is Justice and man can't do bad things in his life and just run away. Like Hilter or other dictators. If u do something, u must get ur punishment.I do care cuz all amazing and complicating things I get wasn't only for 60 or 20 years. There must be something higher than that.

My english isn't good 2 so we can understand each other

I believe in Jesus and all other prophets. But my main prophet is Muhammed and My main book is Quraan because Bible was changed by ppl to serve them.It's enough that Christians believe that Jesus was God's Son. God doesn't get married or child and he is only one without son so,Christians who think Jesus is the son of god aren't really believe in god and I don't think that god will answer their prayers.Holy Saradimon : pretty funny but we aren't joking here.

 

"If you consider the stone's position relative to the sun around which the planet orbits, one could hold that the stone is constantly being lifted." - Omnipotence Paradox

Furthermore God can exist yet not be omnipotent. In the New Testament there are a couple passages which state that god cannot lie, be tempted by evil etc.

"Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone." (James 1:13 King James Version)

"in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago," (Titus 1:2 New Standard American Bible)

I personally detest this debate of whether god exists or not because neither side can prove their case. As I said in different posts/threads, our perception is limited by our senses. One cannot prove that god does not exist because there is evidence of his existence. However at the same, because there is no actual proof of his existence, one cannot prove, beyond a doubt, that god exists.

As I've said many times before. "To each, his own."

Just because the chances are "incredibly low" doesn't mean they can't occur.

 

Yes i do believe in a god (Christian).

 

If god does nothing and make us believe on our own, then how would we ever know about him? Why doesnt god give everyone an equal chance at believing in him?

I have to work for money to buy my food, i earn it, no god has ever given me anything. if im hungry, i need to get food myself. Also, god didnt give us food, food as in other living animals that we need to eat to survive, thats no food, thats animals. we have to kill to survive.

so everyone is born without eyes and then god gives them to you? God didnt create me, im in debt to my parents, they are my creator. Should i start worshipping the big bang as it was the bringer of all life?

Ah see now you admit that its not because you dont believe its because what you do, Your admitting that if i follow all his rules but dont believe in him then il go to heavan? Also, i feel sorry for you if you have to live a life without drinking and without SEX. thats where i draw the line with religion, having a negative impact on your life in the hopes of a better life. dude live alittle!!

No, i can thank my mother for being healthy and not smoking/drinking while in labour. How about you start worshipping your parents, they created you.

 

Yes, this is the very reason why the debate is never ending. You seem to be mildly inteligent at the least. What makes the idea of your Christian God the right one? Because it is what you were taught from the day you were born. since everyone in your family believes and goes to church, you follow suit? Religion is regional. What makes one religion right and the others wrong. Yes, 84% of the world may be religious, but as a Christian 67% of the world's population will burn in Hell regardless.

I could go on for ever here, but basically I'm saying given the choice of the two (knowing neither can be proven to a fact) athiesm is much more logical.

As an athiest I still read the bible have knowledge of all sides, might I suggest you read through this with an unbiased mannerism. It makes all the points I could hope to make.

www.godisimaginary.com

 

Shredderbeam is my god. He created this universe and also has a penis measuring 25 inches. I say this is true, therefore it is true. Just to make sure, I'll write it down in a book, making it FACT! Why would a god hide itself?

 

Also, may I make the point that the spelling and grammar of all the god believers in this thread is atrocious. Surely this makes their arguments less believable as they were written by retards.

 

I fail to see how atheism is the more logical choice. As I've said countless times now, we cannot comprehend the entirety of god based solely on what we call "logic."

One can claim that they look at this subject through an unbias manner, but this is a false assertion. No matter how you receive, and/or perceive, information, you will have a bias stance on it. Why? Because you are a human, As a human, you're subject to think/feel with emotion. Now emotion can affect people in different ways, some to the extreme, some not as much. Regardless, everything that comes to you, and out through you, is filtered by your emotions. Therefore, it is impossible to be unbias.

Furthermore, that link you showed me tries to disprove the bible through our own measly logic. The human's ability of reasoning isn't necessarily the ultimate, nor the most logical, method of reasoning. Everything you observe, perceive, and analyze is through your own senses. It is very possible that other things exist and we cannot acknowledge their existence, nor we will ever be able to prove them, because of the limits of our own senses. What if something occurred that cannot be seen, smelled, tasted, felt, or heard, how would we know it happened? We wouldn't.

"Empirical human perception ... is limited to our senses." - Omnipotence

Even if it is more "logical," it is not necessarily right. Many times in history, what we thought at the time to be "logical" proved to be just the opposite.

I personally do not believe in the "religious" (whatever you may define that as) idea of god. I do however believe in a higher power, a greater species, and something that could potentially have influenced, or at one time, controlled the human race. Why?

"The age of the universe is the time elapsed between the Big Bang and the present day. Current observations suggest that this is about 13.73 billion years, with an uncertainty of about 120 million years." - Age of the Universe .

Our species, homo sapiens, "originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago." - Human Our existence makes up, 1.4566642388929351784413692643846e-5 of the entire history of the universe. Our history is small, tiny, and insignificant in comparison to the earth, the solar systems, and the entire universe. I find it very difficult to believe that during all that time, not one specie came to exist that was greater than humans. The idea that humans are the most intelligent beings in history seems vain to me. I have no "empirical" proof to backup my claim, nonetheless, I strongly believe our method of obtaining/acknowledging "empirical" proof is inferior to a higher power. We are so inferior, we will not be able to acknowledge this higher power unless it presents itself in a matter that our inferior minds can handle.

That is what I believe.

P.S. I really detest this debate for reasons already stated.

P.P.S I found this amusing

Argumentum Ad Hominem does not advance your own assertion.

Whether they cannot spell or implement proper grammar is unrelated to the validty of their argument. It does not "Surely" make their argument less believable, regardless of whether they are retards or not. Please do not use Argumentum Ad Hominem, it is my least favorite fallacy (not that I enjoy any of them).

 

Double post and I won't bother myself by answering u.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with u.Please watch video in my sign ( collapse of athiesm ).First : Can any atheism tell me where did we start from ? . U will say from one cell creature. Can u tell me and where did this one cell creature came?.Will u say that it was made by chance. When they calculated the complicating of cell they found that the chances to make it by chance like making F16 plane from old iron shop when a storm go through it. Have anyone until now could make one living cell.
Second u said that we evaluated through years. Can u tell me is there were any creatures between different species. According to evluation theory creatures were evaluated through years to reach us. This mean there must be millions of species between fishes and human but no one could find any creature like that.
I know my English is terrible but u can watch the video to understand more
Here is a link : HERE

 

Perhaps you did not read my post. I did not talk about evolution. I merely stated what was thought to be logical at one time, proved to be the opposite during another. In one society the idea that the earth was round seemed unreasonable and illogical, does that mean that society was correct? Obviously not. Hence the reason that what we believe to be "logical" at any given time may not necessarily be correct. ESPECIALLY when we cannot prove beyond a doubt that our claim is true.

Also, I was not promoting atheism, if you read my post in it's entirety, you would clearly understand I, myself, am not an atheist. Please carefully read one's posts before responding to them. Thanks

 

Sorry , I got it now. I didn't get it first time. Thanx for clearing and my fault

 

That last paragraph is from the zeitgeist.